From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 51f513d9 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 10:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E37F79C119; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 20:46:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C721D9C0FA; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 20:46:18 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="K+GCOyQA"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4AF149C0F7; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 20:46:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (mail-lj1-f177.google.com [209.85.208.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 719C79BDD8 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 20:46:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id y6so30941705lji.0 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 02:46:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MwOJiD5R/Ql8N59OzE6Xilya/4r87+zqtsaUGKFaDDo=; b=K+GCOyQA2gDuL0tUoH6a7/m+QBUWzBlLxSvLjkVJmURRpS0WvJ1uFf+aSUSx/VJJii AkvDJhp5QgZx7z6DHd5ZjW9LWs6zyISOgyqjl07Cl43c+S6v2hjP0rAITXE+wnyJJ+MP BRT4TeGImh+j+67lYtemZs/89pbd9aLIRfjbRNADqXM4iNk97SfF9qum0fInK5byG/Le oIlwk3NJWC8la2q+1NSNW8v1Iym/VDzSdkCNiuQ/8Irj3p0Oj9nz0S+yd8woLuf72FWH IvPur1t8c1SnxkkBXJpQoQ5GSxekgDKthwwNNGDqq0To6CL9OdaH48HuNaiwGcCQbTUg 8KPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MwOJiD5R/Ql8N59OzE6Xilya/4r87+zqtsaUGKFaDDo=; b=r8f5guas4KB7UuYZRiaExAuRvn7mVc5aPiwZ8Ik/49xKoIFlb30Tyyk/Yt9W7QGI2U IG9c+MPZnsRYap4ffNikkVdhaU0xddHNyJfarXMgidigi0wfnYLic5tm3kMUgrvssppo 8pDG3vhP6mFkyEnGf8aBQ3oOjDixbzfyep/nUwqo+f6OnoaGRzr2CCrMXqDaBnSt0gmM SoE98KAwUKSlzdsFQcR83YUDjJ6ZKth2Vo2YidN5dl37pcnQwVy4Cu2KlZWHXheLlNu1 GJZZJhIp+6XP+6IzFAM7RfCAAYZHyYElpdU9Tr/RszyzLhGKNxr4opPrHx7wUOFEazGp EPaw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVf6UGr8YzGoQJ16PhlFrifj0e0rydNCOeVs+srUKrqbp9W5bfX mxTBTXJnDJ3voe8LatBmbKoaBAuScgyqa+hFnXPmnOI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwPBih8T0ChoRnqcIBRuI6aDd9pjJRYEGHn9bl1njYDlzmq2dtqSje0if6Q7JsOIaItUVOB1vGZ+sBhEZ6hZ9Y= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9705:: with SMTP id r5mr10563149lji.114.1579430771874; Sun, 19 Jan 2020 02:46:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5A5107E4-06AD-4C2B-B590-15C17B301D44@cfcl.com> <20200119102937.3s2hwl3ziupa7ese@unixfarts.net> In-Reply-To: <20200119102937.3s2hwl3ziupa7ese@unixfarts.net> From: Tyler Adams Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 12:46:00 +0200 Message-ID: To: Vincenzo Nicosia Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001ae0f7059c7be241" Subject: Re: [TUHS] "What UNIX Cost Us" X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001ae0f7059c7be241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" His example of the USB driver was pretty silly. The unix code even *looked* cleaner and straightforward compared to the convoluted windows/mac messes, but he's mad because he had to figure out a *filepath*. What!? Tyler On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Vincenzo Nicosia wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 11:27:39AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > > FWIW, I found this talk to be quite amusing and interesting. > > > > "What UNIX Cost Us" - Benno Rice (LCA 2020) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-IWMbJXoLM > > > > ...which is along the same lines of the talk the same guy gave about > systemd and why everybody should like it. The message is simple: we > just want to run our shiny MacBooks and we don't understand Unix > anyway, so we'd better get rid of it and move on. > > A flawed analysis that obviously leads to flawed conclusions. > > --0000000000001ae0f7059c7be241 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
His example of the USB driver was pretty silly. The u= nix code even looked cleaner and straightforward compared to the co= nvoluted windows/mac messes, but he's mad because he had to figure out = a filepath. What!?


=C2=A0Tyler


On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Vincenzo Nicosia <katolaz@freaknet.org<= /a>> wrote:
O= n Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 11:27:39AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote:
> FWIW, I found this talk to be quite amusing and interesting.
>
> "What UNIX Cost Us" - Benno Rice (LCA 2020)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D9-IWMbJXoLM<= br> >

...which is along the same lines of the talk the same guy gave about
systemd and why everybody should like it. The message is simple: we
just want to run our shiny MacBooks and we don't understand Unix
anyway, so we'd better get rid of it and move on.

A flawed analysis that obviously leads to flawed conclusions.

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