From: Tyler Adams <coppero1237@gmail.com>
To: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Command line options and complexity
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 06:11:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEuQd1DVORxvdRDyJje7PjQ2w3np_YpOJFAEnvcGxeX0a9kj_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP2nic1GXWeanAst6JVnKDz+Ug=-Gn0S7Pk+9+CvfxXbmu=w9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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> These go all the way back to v7 unix, where ls has an option to reverse
the sort order (which could have been done by passing the output to tac).
Good point. Why was this done in v7 unix and why wasn't it thrown out?
Tyler
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 20:45 Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've heard people say that there isn't really any alternative to this kind
> of complexity for command line tools, but people who say that have never
> really tried the alternative, something like PowerShell. I have plenty of
> complaints about PowerShell, but passing structured data around and easily
> being able to operate on structured data without having to hold metadata
> information in my head so that I can pass the appropriate metadata to the
> right command line tools at that right places the pipeline isn't among my
> complaints3 <https://danluu.com/cli-complexity/#fn:W>.
>
> Somewhat disingenuous. I mean, yes, that's true, but on the other hand it
> means that you have to keep the "what Powershell commands operate on what
> structure" in your head instead, since you can no longer assume the
> pipelines to be a universal interface.
>
> Same basic problem as CMS Pipelines. Fantastically powerful, and nowhere
> near as easy to compose good functionality as "it's just a byte stream."
>
> Adam
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:16 AM Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, this should be good for some conversation. A friend sent me this
>> link today: http://danluu.com/cli-complexity/
>>
>
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-03 18:15 Jon Steinhart
2020-03-03 18:44 ` Adam Thornton
2020-03-04 4:11 ` Tyler Adams [this message]
2020-03-04 6:03 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-04 6:48 ` arnold
2020-03-04 21:17 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-05 0:49 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2020-03-05 20:54 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-05 22:01 ` William Cheswick
2020-03-04 21:50 ` Random832
2020-03-04 23:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-03-05 6:12 ` Alan D. Salewski
2020-03-04 22:03 ` Random832
2020-03-04 23:25 ` Terry Jones
2020-03-10 23:03 ` Dan Stromberg
2020-03-11 3:18 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-11 4:02 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-03-11 22:56 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-11 23:14 ` Dan Cross
2020-03-12 0:42 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-12 0:53 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-03-12 3:09 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-12 3:34 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-03-13 1:02 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-12 5:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-12 6:48 ` Peter Jeremy
2020-03-12 7:37 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-03-12 7:42 ` Warner Losh
2020-03-12 23:57 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-12 5:22 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-12 5:35 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-03-13 0:36 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-13 11:26 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-14 2:13 ` Greg A. Woods
2020-03-14 4:31 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-04 14:06 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2020-03-04 16:17 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-04 17:25 ` Bakul Shah
2020-03-05 0:55 ` Rob Pike
2020-03-05 2:05 ` Kurt H Maier
2020-03-05 4:17 ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2020-03-05 14:53 ` Dan Cross
2020-03-05 21:50 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-03-05 21:56 ` Warner Losh
2020-03-08 5:26 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-08 5:32 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-03-08 9:30 ` Tyler Adams
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[not found] ` <CAEuQd1D7+dfap98AwPo2W41+06prrcVaAWk3Ve-ve0uQ0xBu3Q@mail.gmail.com>
2020-03-09 21:06 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-09 21:22 ` Kurt H Maier
2020-03-11 17:41 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-11 21:29 ` Warner Losh
2020-03-12 0:13 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-12 0:34 ` Chet Ramey
2020-03-12 12:57 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-12 19:24 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-03-08 9:51 ` Michael Kjörling
2020-03-05 4:57 Doug McIlroy
2020-03-05 22:17 ` Diomidis Spinellis
2020-03-10 16:15 Doug McIlroy
2020-03-10 17:38 ` Dan Cross
2020-03-10 17:44 ` Bakul Shah
2020-03-10 18:09 ` Dan Cross
2020-03-10 18:42 Doug McIlroy
2020-03-10 19:38 ` Dan Cross
2020-03-13 10:45 Dave Horsfall
2020-03-14 4:35 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-03-14 19:52 ` John P. Linderman
2020-03-14 20:25 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
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