From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d6e414f5 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 01:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5E50DA3715; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:31:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD8DA3704; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:30:15 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="G4Y61oin"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1CD6DA3705; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:30:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f176.google.com (mail-lj1-f176.google.com [209.85.208.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1152A3704 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 11:30:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f176.google.com with SMTP id k15-v6so36744144ljc.8 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 17:30:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ip85BGRfyo1HWLBEGy3d7D42VIWmYLiz/xfOxKypM1I=; b=G4Y61oinKAIDrC1comy6CJgduq+JVTzUcGEOrrA16u5o4Cd5N8sNI+En4Gh49e00Xm phCR7WyHArltLvI0mBzNz961VauLoS8yKgNXEtzLEZT5AXy/HA73iHKCzVvKnlJxouvv 4rIzC+B8GzA9EsX6QgAUTM7+R7hT05/bPqUibvKaBFUcZAFfBSaHz8cV0dZ4HTl1iMUL 1kVokITEIPx7JTqzzYcniphShDopm5Z2NZJBt72PAUkMTvBKMbr1e32vprZD/s8cNm8P b0FhLiDZrfMv8rVXDuCi/JR8PnT4yB8qF9Rm/2Ord6CFlUvZbzl19XzUWmp77DFK0yhJ 7Ung== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ip85BGRfyo1HWLBEGy3d7D42VIWmYLiz/xfOxKypM1I=; b=BnMLN+zdk3Jx+rRevSLobEvywVa0ko5y1Dzdx/kt7kzYwBn5uFt0NNCjNfz43/hPBD h9aPT695GNAxPFj5grYc4LjWeBLzQ4WxVhEWa9h3IxWTB/f0FKRp55Re3QKM9bYSGEuz 6x3PHshkwiT7uumc6Jl+ooaxN/+4yVN9MQnUplb+3Smb5GwF6/CxBSqk1ZTAi4oUD6xz +aC+g9y5UPD96HR3nf16/7DQdx6LiR9zpt7VyvSNerODCJA6Jvy2IvUXovcXCQM3KHq7 WL71AOeH1y2CWMFFgRLN+9voPPid//IFM7UgW8ewL8J/4nVme0donwR7aSiBSiyw5H03 G40g== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeesVxdVez32p3t+neQ4A3cHi24wPMKcwWr6wVZRZw/ftF7DEWx Wev9PKjGVjXLsrsKdz/KXD1hlwBrIDSk880gQk3kPA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Wh7cloIaeHBTFDbT71VdwEADHJbfBFYk30rgbPUjCGJC70ZZ/8Mok1aMMYHJQetXeruIhUuBk+51dpwGXaDT8= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:4299:: with SMTP id h25-v6mr31607481ljf.5.1546824608768; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 17:30:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901062341.x06NfXe2021557@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <201901062341.x06NfXe2021557@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: "A. P. Garcia" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 20:29:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000055e782057ed42b79" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix [really RMS bashing] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000055e782057ed42b79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 7:43 PM Jon Steinhart > I would argue that Linux would not have happened without the internet > making it possible for folks around the world to participate. And I think > that there's a good chance that the tools would have been created anyway. > That's more or less how I look at it. Back in the day there was comp.sources.unix for example. In Unix itself, there was /usr/ where tools developed by users other than the core developers belonged, and there was /usr/ucb/ where they put stuff from Berkeley. The culture surrounding Unix has always seemed to encourage outside participation, going back to the lenient licensing of Research Unix, and even before that, when it just existed at Murray Hill. > --00000000000055e782057ed42b79 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 7:43 PM Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com wrote

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I would argue that Linux would not have happened witho= ut the internet making it possible for folks around the world to participat= e.=C2=A0 And I think that there's a good chance that the tools would ha= ve been created anyway.

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That's more or less how I look at it. Back in th= e day there was comp.sources.unix for example. In Unix itself, there was /u= sr/ where tools developed by users other than the core developers belonged,= and there was /usr/ucb/ where they put stuff from Berkeley. The culture su= rrounding Unix has always seemed to encourage outside participation, going = back to the lenient licensing of Research Unix, and even before that, when = it just existed at Murray Hill.
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