From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id e46ffe65 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 03:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A8B49A370F; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:00:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD04A3705; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="bdHVO8oU"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E019FA3705; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f177.google.com (mail-lj1-f177.google.com [209.85.208.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50A7BA3704 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:59:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f177.google.com with SMTP id s5-v6so36831505ljd.12 for ; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:59:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=S0jNYwC9NyXzswU8krqU9XvtEATKj+F/yogOtGvmOIg=; b=bdHVO8oUNAk6vYUACTvJ5iR564oLBu7TEuKcS1an6sBNq+eFmhiYUxFgFpmtmhCVB8 jmEzuRczFPHrJlDrsxY72O2wp4oWBFUEL7sDf7xeHXVqAU7ztxWPQnbyLTh7M/Q2fGn5 6cHun22Nd59/7Em/PB3ukydw6HEZ3LGfUGWG/4Jf1UVae2gfreRZhZ1ZsdajIdFbNFnd +a0QHJNjAESoG7hu5lxTJ/iihU4QkU6YI6obwfYdtll091XUUmcoqacsAexC+ytjnAsn wwP7UXobLzTbOjWg5bAKcfjK0neHRFmNMgpeXubpBbI3zp9mo0hp4jUvntMQG+PNM9/0 VbCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S0jNYwC9NyXzswU8krqU9XvtEATKj+F/yogOtGvmOIg=; b=DmYNRJTLfdPwoes7QDei2VjmhbOewRLLqKxMUXskfd7Axw2pi0ZnwM11B591QBx9SR xMmpcyEviWUPOUEPChhQyjR5nDKVICyvm7EQCyf3DKXxWiVfyhh9n/B4zJnYOXu6wlgY +PmLYOfahjYVmpnQRfEJrOf+UmteoA3kYkwaa9nhHAYDeHTYxL565u+KgfsXosdMurRw HGM0cDmxIVIuzKMO6+o9+r0RyzA5770DkpNBlJmEX46yfHIqhsciHAO4XKQGt6RvSQp0 UlKmjjtFbYoYevu/siWtNwKBqkRqB1JnzzPlUWz0PnmGti617au5ZOYUWkmaasVOCB8u pURQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukeRX9AkSCqgMRiVku+vLL3ebgBJYvpp1r8do4o/ea7OE/FeXV8h rri9Oas7g1IWjGnEXXdStOusEmdGxDbRhw6TAxRy2dUl X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN72QI4+1rgbU6WOWTRGqtt4ls9p46aie9xPk6/Pb8nXDEURjlEU9Uazm3z78jKT0x/3nh4Q7TAWWmd2E75m2lc= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9957:: with SMTP id r23-v6mr31467193ljj.98.1546829973459; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 18:59:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901062341.x06NfXe2021557@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: From: "A. P. Garcia" Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 21:59:21 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001894f1057ed56b4e" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix [really RMS bashing] X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001894f1057ed56b4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 9:39 PM Warner Losh > > On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 7:06 PM Steve Nickolas >> On Sun, 6 Jan 2019, A. P. Garcia wrote: >> >> If not for GNU, Unix would still have been cloned. Net/2 happened in >> parallel, did it not? >> > > Berkeley actively rewrote most of unix yes. Net/1 was released about the > same time GNU was getting started. Net/2 and later 4.4 BSD continued this > trend, where 4.4 was finally a complete system. BSD386 only lagged Linux by > about a year and had much stronger networking support, but supported fewer > obscure devices than linux... > > Warner > > Ps I know this glosses over a lot, and isn't intended to be pedantic as to > who got where first. Only they were about the same time... and I'm > especially glossing over the AT&T suits, etc. > It's really hard to say. How would you compile it? Clang didn't come along until 2007. The Amsterdam Compiler Kit, perhaps? > --0000000000001894f1057ed56b4e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sun, Jan 6, 2019, 9:39 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com wrote:


On Su= n, Jan 6, 2019, 7:06 PM Steve Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co wrote:
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2019, A. P. Garcia wrote:=

If not for GNU, Unix would still have been cloned.=C2=A0 Net/2 happened in =
parallel, did it not?

Berkeley actively rewrote most of unix yes. Net/1 was = released about the same time GNU was getting started. Net/2 and later 4.4 B= SD continued this trend, where 4.4 was finally a complete system. BSD386 on= ly lagged Linux by about a year and had much stronger networking support, b= ut supported fewer obscure devices than linux...
Warner

Ps I know this glosses over a lot, and isn't intended to be p= edantic as to who got where first. Only they were about the same time... an= d I'm especially glossing over the AT&T suits, etc.

It's= really hard to say. How would you compile it? Clang didn't come along = until 2007. The Amsterdam Compiler Kit, perhaps?
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