From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 8f2ad79f for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 21:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2D8F5A1FBC; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:39:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C030CA1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:38:55 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Rcd/st9B"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 45195A1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:38:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f180.google.com (mail-lj1-f180.google.com [209.85.208.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FDB5A1C50 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 07:38:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f180.google.com with SMTP id t18-v6so35177445ljd.4 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 13:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6z/nJxZ1ukYkfh0Ebu1zU8nKY/cAoCb62PWl+6tK2ps=; b=Rcd/st9B/ekOM86HVOgJ2yaeMT6h+VyCHTIcJWKCiaN3lt5enrsqzWn1BD9RAcDR2E oTzQimkjCh5SKFEabCWMT5DeeGOvnoXB6Op1LMABaiPdQHqaPlcL+llReZOGjSo1V0k9 F0K3/FXHdV4j7j/tu/obscFDIkDn7I272nnz+mCOrelQH/JnRHu/M4GNalNZ1TIQCKXy GbbXkBI+ZGmrHcn3055sXvaNd4467AHWNDAEnDF+nZGOSt1aeBmw/FnrMe5HDS4V4kbU j8dYPmbGgJKyPobpQbe686z3CUgUa/+QCkms8woC9Ud9MkP7AhcVyaQHDvEkMkbXNaaL iYVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6z/nJxZ1ukYkfh0Ebu1zU8nKY/cAoCb62PWl+6tK2ps=; b=Bm0h5UguLJaWnlo4M+JvUrZr2f2WotQtPdssflBDLe85vpQkTpEwdP2q5OIpDTYETY i5GrUfmyY8h/v6mgbh665CPumX2/+U6vFpk9pZQy7fJbgKV/B+UPFPTTWQFy/jPxgJiJ kkSsqMV/T823mOh4BMW/InScqK0TVSXcgLSysWBBvB/1d9bQWPrN6BoRcUeYRSjmxkRp hd1PZWw1ZDfMZ+uWJjVhW5ODMTjDINsEiWENQI/2PcIXfl6j83saH1WM6jMJdi1LLp8K 2S9iob/C2KK4eyx7rVBDHeYe2Z+wiN/QBbbAyNu19rOkrlQrZQrqYA+gB9A2QAVoLbaV 4DrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUuke60/K6EMe5PyTnZpHdcBmYqCPO6Twi813I4vnfDrWhYn0bc3e6 gzaNDHVZMrxB9UFYjwje9EN73609hE08FVAUvUc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN4qYk0s76cHkN1ArRvuGHe1AZ7Rr9YlcaE4NPIE7X2sJlOwpIpxrEjGnjAFgG4elaHmMPbGdY9+mi1qyTyyuyw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9c7:: with SMTP id 190-v6mr24056607ljj.120.1546724331423; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 13:38:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201901050226.x052QigU089781@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <22BA2F17-310F-4396-A35A-23E2D1130018@ronnatalie.com> <20190105153133.GA24497@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: "A. P. Garcia" Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 16:38:40 -0500 Message-ID: To: Paul Winalski Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000570ea4057ebcd2fa" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000570ea4057ebcd2fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 3:27 PM Paul Winalski On 1/5/19, A. P. Garcia wrote: > [concerning Richard Stallman] > > > > Building an operating system in and of itself was not so much his goal as > > building the friendships and community surrounding it. > > > The GNU Hurd kernel certainly seems to have gotten nowhere, and with > the success of Linux IMO the free software community doesn't need it > anymore. But FSF certainly has made a big impact and contribution > with the gcc toolchain and the free versions of the Unix shell and > utilities. > But RMS sort of invented that community, just like Al Gore sort of invented the internet (as we know it today). He was certainly an important catalyst, and his views remain influential to many people. He was wrong about Unix, though. It is not merely an adequate OS. It is ideal. ;-) > --000000000000570ea4057ebcd2fa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


= On Sat, Jan 5, 2019, 3:27 PM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/5/19, A. P. Garcia <a.phillip.garcia@gmail.c= om> wrote:
[concerning Richard Stallman]
>
> Building an operating system in and of itself was not so much his goal= as
> building the friendships and community surrounding it.
>
The GNU Hurd kernel certainly seems to have gotten nowhere, and with
the success of Linux IMO the free software community doesn't need it anymore.=C2=A0 But FSF certainly has made a big impact and contribution
with the gcc toolchain and the free versions of the Unix shell and
utilities.

But RMS sort of invented that community, just like Al Gore sort o= f invented the internet (as we know it today). He was certainly an importan= t catalyst, and his views remain influential to many people.

He was wrong about Unix, though. It i= s not merely an adequate OS. It is ideal. ;-)
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