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P. Garcia" Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 18:25:15 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004ddb170596507135" Subject: Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Happy birthday, Morris Worm! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000004ddb170596507135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Clem Cole wrote: > +1. Well said Dan. > > We all have made and will make mistakes in the future. It was an error > and we all learned from it. It=E2=80=99s not helpful to continue to hark= back on > it. > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Dan Cross wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:37 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: >> >>> The infamous Morris Worm was released in 1988; making use of known >>> vulnerabilities in Sendmail/finger/RSH (and weak passwords), it took ou= t >>> a >>> metric shitload of SUN-3s and 4BSD Vaxen (the author claimed that it wa= s >>> accidental, but the idiot hadn't tested it on an isolated network >>> first). A >>> temporary "condom" was discovered by Rich Kulawiec with "mkdir /tmp/sh"= . >>> >>> Another fix was to move the C compiler elsewhere. >>> >> >> This comes up every year, but could I ask that you please stop referring >> to Robert T. Morris as an idiot? He acted foolishly and destructively, y= es, >> but he was quite young at the time and he paid for his mistake. He's gon= e >> on to do very good work in systems and have a productive career; there >> really is no need to continue to castigate him in this manner for a mist= ake >> he made 31 years ago. >> >> - Dan C. >> > The father of the person who wrote the worm was a Unix pioneer, Bob Morris. He coauthored a paper on Unix password security with Ken Thompson. He was working for the NSA when the worm was unleashed. As told in The Cuckoo's Egg, Cliff Stoll was an early suspect, and it caused Bob Morris no small amount of embarrassment and angst to discover that the culprit was his own son. I'm sure that Bob was proud of his son's accomplishments -- but not that one. --0000000000004ddb170596507135 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Nov 1, 2019, 5:56 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
+1.=C2=A0 Well said Dan. =C2=A0
=

We all have made and will mak= e mistakes in the future.=C2=A0 It was an error and we all learned from it.= =C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s not helpful to continue to hark back on it.=C2=A0
=

O= n Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 2:13 PM Dan Cross <= crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 4:37 PM Dave Horsfall= <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
The infamous Morris Worm was released in 1988; making use of known vulnerabilities in Sendmail/finger/RSH (and weak passwords), it took out a =
metric shitload of SUN-3s and 4BSD Vaxen (the author claimed that it was accidental, but the idiot hadn't tested it on an isolated network first= ). A
temporary "condom" was discovered by Rich Kulawiec with "mkd= ir /tmp/sh".

Another fix was to move the C compiler elsewhere.

=
This comes up every year, but could I ask that you please stop r= eferring to Robert T. Morris as an idiot? He acted foolishly and destructiv= ely, yes, but he was quite young at the time and he paid for his mistake. H= e's gone on to do very good work in systems and have a productive caree= r; there really is no need to continue to castigate him in this manner for = a mistake he made 31 years ago.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.
=

The father of the perso= n who wrote the worm was a Unix pioneer, Bob Morris. He coauthored a paper = on Unix password security with Ken Thompson. He was working for the NSA whe= n the worm was unleashed. As told in The Cuckoo's Egg, Cliff Stoll was = an early suspect, and it caused Bob Morris no small amount of embarrassment= and angst to discover that the culprit was his own son. I'm sure that = Bob was proud of his son's accomplishments -- but not that one.
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