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P. Garcia" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 05:04:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c7fcad061c541f40" Message-ID-Hash: 6JYEKGUND7U64SAJHYE53AXKQSIWEDFL X-Message-ID-Hash: 6JYEKGUND7U64SAJHYE53AXKQSIWEDFL X-MailFrom: a.phillip.garcia@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Anyone ever heard of teaching a case study of Initial Unix? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c7fcad061c541f40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 1:17=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a Computer Science or Software Engineering pr= ogram > that included a =E2=80=98case study=E2=80=99 component, especially for So= ftware > Development & Projects. > > > > Developers of Initial Unix arguably were 10x-100x more productive than IB= M > OS/360, a =E2=80=98best practice=E2=80=99 development at the time, > so what CSRC did differently is worth close examination. > > I=E2=80=99ve not seen examined the role of the =E2=80=98capability=E2=80= =99 of individual > contributors, the collaborative, collegiate work environment > and the =E2=80=98context=E2=80=99, a well funded organisation not dictati= ng deadlines or > product specifications for researchers. > > I haven't heard of such a case study either. But you reminded me of an analogy I once read. Please forgive me if my memory is incorrect or incomplete. I believe I read it in the book "The Supermen", and the idea might be attributed to Seymour Cray. The basic idea was that any technical problem can be solved with a shovel, where the sharpness of the blade represents the astuteness of the people working on it, and the force applied to the handle is how much money you throw at it. A bit simplistic, perhaps, but I think there's also a lot of truth in it. --000000000000c7fcad061c541f40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, 1:17=E2=80=AFAM <sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au> wrote:
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I=E2=80=99ve never heard of a Computer= Science or Software Engineering program
that included a =E2=80=98case study=E2=80=99 component, especially for Soft= ware Development & Projects.

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Developers of Initial Unix arguably were 10x-100x more productive than IBM = OS/360, a =E2=80=98best practice=E2=80=99 development at the time,
so what CSRC did differently is worth close examination.

I=E2=80=99ve not seen examined the role of the =E2=80=98capability=E2=80=99= of individual contributors, the collaborative, collegiate work environment=
and the =E2=80=98context=E2=80=99, a well funded organisation not dictating= deadlines or product specifications for researchers.

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I haven't heard of such a case study either. But you remind= ed me of an analogy I once read. Please forgive me if my memory is incorrec= t or incomplete.=C2=A0

I= believe I read it in the book "The Supermen", and the idea might= be attributed to Seymour Cray. The basic idea was that any technical probl= em can be solved with a shovel, where the sharpness of the blade represents= the astuteness of the people working on it, and the force applied to the h= andle is how much money you throw at it. A bit simplistic, perhaps, but I t= hink there's also a lot of truth in it.
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