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From: Richard Salz <rich.salz@gmail.com>
To: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:55:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFH29to9GaKVxUXw8uwbeMAcF6izD=8gqhqROzCOSEA5xOA5aQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6557f782-ecb1-6476-1eda-e23f30f9bbea@bitsavers.org>

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A couple of updates.

At a Usenix (Portland?) dmr had a keynote and he interviewed himself.Q:
"What do you think of X?" A: "Sometimes when you fill a vacuum it still
sucks."  Maybe Rob said it earlier, but that was the first time I heard it
publically.

Osterhout's Tk was beyond amazing. I was at OSF and gave several demo's
(the "windowing ksh" was also available).  The idea that you could "send"
to another GUI program and add buttons, etc., instantaneously! John had
already implemented the Motif look and feel (from the spec), mostly, and
was willing to do anything if OSF would take it and call it Motif. The
Motif leads (I was in DCE) weren't interested, although maybe they'd put it
on the "extra's" tape at the end. This was circa 1992. I once told this
story to some Microsoft PM's, and they agreed it would have completely
killed Visual Basic.  Ah well.

Apollo's had two 68K processors, the second one watched for page faults and
patched things up since it wasn't until 68020 that the faulting stuff
worked properly. The Apollo source control team left after HP and formed
Clearcase.

DCE RPC was based on Apollo NCS which was a very elegant RPC system built
on UDP. It had no XDR because it was "reader makes it right" and datatypes
were tagged. I don't recall details of the tagging. Digital added TCP
transport. Microsoft took the DCE RPC spec (we had a name for them, I
forget what it was) and used it to implement DCOM's RPC.  There's an IETF
draft, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brown-dcom-v1-spec-01, but it
never progressed beyond that.

Hope this is interesting to some.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-25 15:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-24 16:14 ron minnich
2021-01-24 16:24 ` Michael Kjörling
2021-01-24 17:04 ` Clem Cole
2021-01-24 18:36   ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 20:39     ` Ronald Natalie
2021-01-24 20:54       ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 21:01         ` Ronald Natalie
2021-01-24 23:38         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-01-25  0:18           ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-25  0:36             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-01-25  0:41               ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 20:45     ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-24 21:11       ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 21:14         ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-24 21:22           ` [TUHS] Apollo (was NeWS) Ronald Natalie
2021-01-24 21:25           ` [TUHS] tangential unix question: whatever happened to NeWS? Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 22:53             ` Dan Cross
2021-01-24 23:33               ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-25  0:11                 ` Al Kossow
2021-01-25  0:21                   ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-25 14:38                     ` Clem Cole
2021-01-25 15:31                       ` Al Kossow
2021-01-25 15:55                         ` Richard Salz [this message]
2021-01-25 16:04                           ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-25 16:37                             ` Dan Cross
2021-01-25 16:49                               ` Richard Salz
2021-01-25 17:11                               ` Bakul Shah
2021-01-25 17:25                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-29 20:24                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-29 20:31                                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-25 23:46                               ` John Gilmore
2021-01-29 19:53                               ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-25 22:25                           ` Rob Gingell
2021-01-26  1:38                           ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-27  3:11                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-27  3:54                               ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-27  5:15                                 ` George Michaelson
2021-01-27  5:52                                   ` George Michaelson
2021-01-27  5:48                                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-01-27  6:19                                   ` Henry Bent
2021-01-27  7:28                                   ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-27 10:02                                   ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-27 18:32                                   ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2021-01-27 19:26                                     ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-01-27 15:47                               ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-27 16:40                                 ` Stephen Clark
2021-01-26  2:45                           ` John Cowan
2021-01-27 19:34                             ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-01-29 22:02                             ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-30  1:50                               ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-01-31  2:42                                 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-01-30  3:51                               ` Richard Salz
2021-01-30 23:20                                 ` John Cowan
2021-01-25 15:48                       ` Henry Bent
2021-01-25 14:33                   ` Clem Cole
2021-01-24 23:50             ` Ed Carp
2021-01-24 21:29       ` Al Kossow
2021-01-24 21:53       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2021-02-14  2:04       ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-14  2:49         ` Jon Steinhart
2021-02-14  4:53           ` Rich Morin
2021-01-24 18:41   ` Toby Thain
2021-01-24 18:24 ` Dan Cross
2021-01-24 18:42   ` arnold
2021-01-24 19:11     ` Larry McVoy
2021-01-24 21:07 ` Rich Morin
2021-01-24 21:10   ` Ronald Natalie
2021-01-24 22:30     ` Rich Morin
2021-01-24 21:16   ` Jon Steinhart
2021-01-28  2:48 Norman Wilson
2021-01-28  9:24 Noel Chiappa

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