From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776C720075 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2024 16:02:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C84743CC6; Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:02:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-x433.google.com (mail-pf1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::433]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18F3043CC5 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2024 01:02:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-x433.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-7252f48acf2so5123362b3a.2 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 07:02:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1733324546; x=1733929346; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=iSaqnqtowTDRrVRRSbc5DMWM3ehrj21TXQ9dqkxy7xs=; b=A7+u4LtoZQVbcEFk68DvfDf4+sArS9JJaAondNNgHPWaP9+qZmnk+RQEJMsuAhCNrQ AqiYQH6YiLu176W5T6zwEgLUPJYduPuvplgdy6JBcH50iByQumzSJFj1iZHPepZuzTvu C9WLE5h0x0uwLAWuM3IZnsVC1SY5sN6HPHo137KdZlgZcZWuzihXuXPDLGJAcC3hNoXP p3GB54MNnDEqLEAf5R0+4EVEWcJBjyLm7B5odMmvmkBYZzxQjys0Hpz2ommPpfzFB6Jz hyLmR0ohoJJ/iJh4sv7n6w+H8vONOL+2P5zxjkAL2CLUIiwaj6g6xPxTWh1lH8X2uyKD RAXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1733324546; x=1733929346; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=iSaqnqtowTDRrVRRSbc5DMWM3ehrj21TXQ9dqkxy7xs=; b=uEtPELN4KaX75uGOfVrPg+byOWEvvwC6o6RVYXzxQUo1Etcqw8zC2cxE0tp0okpwjU ef9v3ibfYMQYAUM86cfgjSnQZsZrNAkZmjUu1GC0e7b/Y6Xx2dIk9OCK/FU1pBTZnZYb SYEioDTQnlQNzC35vTGe4pp/EUm95w6K2Cow0M2458yoH2DX3F1808Z6p1THpYd85oKZ rCPsYUrOHjRrBEeLWag7+pW5P+vPE0oxkyzcobHXAmZZzWV11BelDQ3USB9x8DEaZ/8x trC8fQas4r/L4bcivLL9zDQcTwcKkQ/P2nNgqL03feHPB1tz+lNLpsoDKyp217gLMDGX vxpA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXERTfXUqUdk3u6wsvFkRFC6lWohmP7XVbF0tbw1kPdSyq5lVg0yeSPEqfYOUQHtSSfSJt0@tuhs.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwDTpePhGlJ2BAvQGJRmm+bX5cytse9JaPJqeSGTBF2ZY/m5V0V cISl26ZWKr9HTx1zDcESCiQKv7yNFzTrlC/9EgLq4ZawEBaN0yFOxsA9rRzxwV4VPCzTZBGz0DX aBXcMta3aMn5hBJfIldEV0vyS3ho= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuCz+gAuFF6E2vKHWsmiHHfDLhDQOuBw4dav3x2EspqQUC5+7Mp1UzEecMNA95 Jnht12X2W7AN0clRS0knmIP0fbUqATkcdkWAXlmsSZdDGddlQmiZLv0EiwYwXvNu7 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHp0sVcNnlDSKf5HofTFi87qsXPdDSCi2dp/aDWSdUP4CytgAdPo0w85YNO9S/j7/HNZTFSCf/dN65Ctclijkk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3b91:b0:2ee:accf:9685 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2ef1ce69484mr6347181a91.4.1733324546182; Wed, 04 Dec 2024 07:02:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <568FD44F-01FB-441B-846B-7D42C3A8E1FB@canb.auug.org.au> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Salz Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2024 10:02:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: Marc Donner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000db16a1062873110a" Message-ID-Hash: 45YUJUSAIZDYK5WBFYENPK7YGKSZCTAS X-Message-ID-Hash: 45YUJUSAIZDYK5WBFYENPK7YGKSZCTAS X-MailFrom: rich.salz@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au, TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: After 50 years, what has the Impact of Unix been? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000db16a1062873110a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I would add one more important impact: making data a first class component > of the computing environment. > Related to that is getting rid of "file types". I remember at a "lessons of Unix" panel at a Usenix, that someone from the Labs gave an example of a situation where the operating system treated a file as more than just a set of bytes (think IBM, VMS, etc). Read a source file (required them to do a bunch of file-conversion operations), write an output, perhaps changing a variable name from 'foo' to 'bar', and then compiling the output, which also required a bunch of file-conversion operations. --000000000000db16a1062873110a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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