From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25946 invoked from network); 31 May 2020 16:26:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 May 2020 16:26:30 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AA6C09C94A; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 02:26:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C315C9C5E5; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 02:26:02 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="OrTzRtZ/"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 899FE9C5E5; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 02:26:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com (mail-lj1-f174.google.com [209.85.208.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5389C1EA for ; Mon, 1 Jun 2020 02:26:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id z6so5092388ljm.13 for ; Sun, 31 May 2020 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=7Sg/G8b97Pry2oDbQ32k4jWnaaqwFcuJUfiTziBHDYI=; b=OrTzRtZ/DzUMYHSoFvkGk6bxOyLvT4yTGN8eOqLSmBMbyoos8q9WptSpb7o0T+uUZu IjEoMU/1f5wlY/zScMOSj0heWBBR+xed3ca96Cb7iTnj2BcbNP441XOcUOtUZSexQSYP 7tZFXFFs/156p514vFFtoHfLyE4CvqCPOB0cULXxwkrAMe9fF3feGr2wi4tFRNy3KOSr J8HdBBnQ1VJTFmmU6XW7Cmql21EKL71UWo5TBUHfzyGUkDabTDwp9E1MeK7NqnJ0LPkW DqbngmrZVIWZOy4eLCqeBgZmUTPoiZP1cw0ApBCKekLLocrQq6lG/qJS+tHL9gZmpDsT gFZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=7Sg/G8b97Pry2oDbQ32k4jWnaaqwFcuJUfiTziBHDYI=; b=FojB1HvdD8cm7+qT8MbD1om/PzpbF2r1fwrlRsohBE2YWZ4T1FCFQ7zgKH+kqXWM6o fTwSNBJeQoOhmbmmy1GRjnb1ZCLAvTyr0Dayx6v/T1HtCk5AFcDd07HxCERLlPgTI5vc pumFm8i2dOE2vBeGowlB2lENFI/qDK29kTFdWMwYwwh++M3zrtf1fWbeeakhumnlBPbr qfDztmOY8D3C6iSZtxb629D+8bv2TpQkFKKjHJ0cGVlbwFrvf6IHOzxBVNJzxo/kX+Qz KWuRXRzPhnAKzKpNhcVnz3gq+VeUrZCLnMg/mSOUy28e3Xbco9MhwJLVghp/455rAzFm 98kw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532BgNDLQtWrhCIK+Rt/JGcUKlPCDqAGB4Yux2lMsGVCMK0iYjtH 9vdvLoNgflvrnpv9xHluIP4twzCFxYkih6kDdk4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyZJ27Fm2r+A6msvr7rpUZQy28/QlnfFD6IhNmjxsHAkXkBRLdb0AiBg3e1EhZARYYBpae6BdcF+V6eFOuD7sA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1104:: with SMTP id d4mr8524484ljo.193.1590942359092; Sun, 31 May 2020 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1jeHk5-5LM-00@marmaro.de> <1jfNb2-7JV-00@marmaro.de> In-Reply-To: From: Richard Salz Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 12:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002c0b5d05a6f422e5" Subject: Re: [TUHS] mh/hm, mmh (was: fmt(1): history, POSIX, -t, -c) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000002c0b5d05a6f422e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" "I'll try" Wow, that was quite some "try" Kudo's! > This is important because the original ARPAnet NCP used FTP to do mail transfer. If you look at RFC 765 (dated June 1980) , there are nearly a dozen mail-related FTP commands. By RFC 959, it's successor five years later, all of them were gone. Another eary MTA was the MMDF, the Multichannel Memorandum Distribution Facility, from U Delware. BBN ran it. One key point is that somehow when used with MH you could get real-time address verification before sending, "user rs@bbn.com doesn't exist." BBN ran MMDF for a long time because a key exec liked/needed that feature, long after 4.2 and sendmail. (My group was one of the first to run sendmail, which I liked because of the "R$" lines in its CF files. (Not really :) My Usenet/email gateway code had to support MMDF but it was only ever used on bbn.com) > could recognize ArpaNET address postfix and had a hack in it, that allowed the 'user' part of the address to include UUCP addresses Originally ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.arpa, then ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.css.gov and then rs%mirror.uucp@seismo.css.gov and then rs@mirror.tmc.com Thanks to Mary Ann and the "UUCP Mapping Project" for making much of that possible and Peter Honeyman for Pathlias, and MX records for the last part. The pre-MX styles received much scorn from Research, and if you search for "that hideous name" you can find a paper on it. There's also a pathlias paper, which Honey later said "was too good for Usenix" but he had nowhere else to submit it. --0000000000002c0b5d05a6f422e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"I'll try"=C2=A0 Wow, that was qui= te some "try"=C2=A0 Kudo's!

> This= is important because the original ARPAnet NCP used FTP to=C2=A0do=C2=A0mai= l transfer.

If you look at R= FC 765 (dated June 1980) , there are nearly a dozen mail-related FTP comman= ds. By RFC 959, it's successor five years later, all of them were gone.=

Another eary MTA was the MM= DF, the Multichannel Memorandum Distribution Facility, from U Delware.=C2= =A0 BBN ran it.=C2=A0 One key point is that somehow when used with MH you c= ould get real-time address verification before sending, "user rs@bbn.com doesn't exist." BBN ran MMDF= for a long time because a key exec liked/needed that feature, long after 4= .2 and sendmail. (My group was one of the first to run sendmail, which I li= ked because of the "R$" lines in its CF files.=C2=A0 (Not really = :) My Usenet/email gateway code had to support MMDF but it was only ever us= ed on bbn.com)

>=C2=A0 could recognize ArpaNET address postfix and h= ad a hack in it, that allowed the 'user'=C2=A0part of the address to include UUC= P addresses

Originally ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.arpa, then ihnp4!mirror!rs@seismo.css.gov and then rs%mirror.uucp@seismo.css.gov and= then rs@mirror.tmc.com=C2=A0 Than= ks to Mary Ann and the "UUCP Mapping Project" for making much of = that possible and Peter Honeyman for Pathlias, and MX records for the last = part. The pre-MX styles received much scorn from Research, and if you searc= h for "that hideous name" you can find a paper on it. There's= also a pathlias paper, which Honey later said "was too good for Useni= x" but he had nowhere else to submit it.


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