From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26174 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 23:45:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 23:45:57 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8509E424E8; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:45:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f180.google.com (mail-pl1-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AD5B424A3 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 09:45:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f180.google.com with SMTP id 12so1076881plo.3 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:45:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=xDMSBbyBuEc/Bg8pGyGL/9331phcvnHKStN3d642jxg=; b=SMBov899gy84fljdZ0dzJxAO2M9eZK5bk5zRTdt5X3ZcG606AcNKpXbJdsNUsx/zr/ rTHj1I/1loHMCUHh1V0bqLe7rtavVYYYzSc3PCiLOSu+ky2xw6Tr3htuEYw31TARYnyl t9o4GjYsnqiHmbsl+beDhIs0nbsgOTAsATSnuTAHuQI3O4UrOFmQy++fIy2eukE1brxB gy4/WkJSY3lxItJaGr1f9ceDLCieTUiNxm1fderTqTYeobACR9AJjPu++23TUaROjkSg PIr6hnd1OxUU7pF+BVtTStTXSqt5zFHLM0BrmFgeoXk9GPXnniV2rMuaE8e+jAzK44iH 3jaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=xDMSBbyBuEc/Bg8pGyGL/9331phcvnHKStN3d642jxg=; b=E2QZ1Vlw6ua6xGnDiPv/3EwzstUPGGekv1QJDajBspU/CVa+8c68R9PmhXhKU9o6MU hBxbQRlOObelRFDWmpM28AINMPHpwS2+WbVkBd8VwOPyRoaMRG2jllQcUikV5xEsYO9A olmRgwiLQgZ/EIGxfl7qTO3Nlae8b5ZNRtzITkJgwypjmlTz3hp8paj90F8oXJfuAPeQ NS9oEAVkmz7hO0tty/KvgbvOS32/pc3RzbGXOY/2yQIHQMDptvtJEkPwK2iSb6n+eGeQ S6CLNtwn1+NEOUKZiBBtUiYUovdyF0GXmK4VgAYVxc0gPvPwtLCSYlhF8pe4beAxboR4 Rq0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqYwwEs+1h+YlIVqN2ACKwnz/q2lJ1ll+iMlY8NoS2xB1M3L7eP Hh1x5emz8MhnOcHskGOKRx987WRAyfjXI/mK3B8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuK0KnL26cNEv1GHZ6c92uffOvnzzn5iApOAJvngb0Ei8pnntQqeJjE/lhNRlSl2/I3W6FZ88Q4O03ZZOaAUN0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7b81:b0:194:b3ab:383e with SMTP id w1-20020a1709027b8100b00194b3ab383emr975665pll.24.1674171857478; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:44:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301190802.30J82KwQ025718@freefriends.org> <20230119150434.GA626@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Rich Salz Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:44:07 -0500 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dba7fb05f2a682b4" Message-ID-Hash: 5ZYUIECHEQZNBAYEK5UOBN6OCK4GSCQQ X-Message-ID-Hash: 5ZYUIECHEQZNBAYEK5UOBN6OCK4GSCQQ X-MailFrom: rich.salz@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Bakul Shah , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The era of general purpose computing (Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000dba7fb05f2a682b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > In my mind there would probably be a strong correlation between engineers > making products unnecessarily complicated (whether they want to or not) and > end users deciding en masse not to sink the time into learning how to > maintain increasingly convoluted and esoteric designs. > To me, the biggest surprise about Unix history is that the Bell patent office secretaries were able to use ed and [nt]roff. I cannot imagine the general populace doing that. Folks on this list will be fine, there will always be programming environments for us. For the rest of the world, simpler is better and simpler isn't Unix. --000000000000dba7fb05f2a682b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In my mind there would probably be a strong cor= relation between engineers making products unnecessarily complicated (wheth= er they want to or not) and end users deciding en masse not to sink the tim= e into learning how to maintain increasingly convoluted and esoteric design= s.

To me, the biggest surprise about = Unix history is that the Bell patent office secretaries were able to use ed= and [nt]roff. I cannot imagine the general populace doing that.
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Folks on this list will be fine, there will always be progra= mming environments for us. For the rest of the world, simpler is better and= simpler isn't Unix.
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