From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7798 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2021 13:58:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Jul 2021 13:58:08 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E919D9C9A8; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:58:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F079C86C; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:57:39 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="bSOOonXO"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6484A9C86C; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:56:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f173.google.com (mail-oi1-f173.google.com [209.85.167.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E88559C864 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:56:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f173.google.com with SMTP id r20so10465111oic.2 for ; Sat, 03 Jul 2021 06:56:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ORURBgp6/TOaUezs+Ba5DVA9SjCxY9YFWLcIBEegLF8=; b=bSOOonXO4EqzJWyfg+IfTzXxT+zvbB5iA2ZqJ3nUwWof9SVFmiMXoDH06ON7EnuNyO TbihynylgeGN9ybw0CaVTLOLP5CygBsOYJSAr4oMgywpoE7GCsjoaeQ5VTA+vp66/YeH PZ4/6eL+A1ma5hlt0BfgJYPKjCbuhOMKYRkapK/eldqg3a1qj/tysthFIQEdr0pvR6iE YXHA1RlaWYuCq90R38TJ5AxNzTb8Vp/XTIvCvfyGC4tzNh7bn6RD/XcKyvfBylFaBkeT uOiobCC17qWhM4YrB56wZUW73Rbp9icJJkWEPZrLV+P5yXmP0nJE3PlZojRRg8K7uT9q b9PQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ORURBgp6/TOaUezs+Ba5DVA9SjCxY9YFWLcIBEegLF8=; b=FDa3FPaNAHytK1SlsaYVHGk6ZjGA2NrbyGzU6LyDkTNeL9mhacBEd6DkR4MzZvMCqh 9ZIhmIxnzYA1VrfFC68BOsPKGtJbHljAlooWnefjRey8lWJKtu5a3ghlTVuuTBDq0zWw 9Un3tv9fGPTNh3iYPL4ooxKp+BOQHYSCZ51X1bXjYeGWWx7zZcvsoR3eJq27uDRoLTnW nON5qodGUziTtdVU+uviXXuDpcXC0TRZnHB2qbJu368WEQfEt6V73xfyen17gq5gCBEO 28LmI2YL1lQjudg9akSvu4Wse1g5BHGXcAy4K7Lysha4gUaJhkp3IfndpNaMkOrF3WWn OGPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RlO0rnKYFQLXQVoL7HVjq1YfpbWykU9ribOgR5cbo933eYLaZ 8JGYvzhlDEyeosJ/PO6xFyHX9+huT74VkFEyHZDVi7mO2mA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwwZd8F206TaQv+iy/Uj9RBIv747u6u1MyAJ1qj35v6/P9vV5K2aPbZobSN1rMhP4r+HL2ON17sm14SP8Gbn5c= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f515:: with SMTP id t21mr3856594oih.33.1625320601154; Sat, 03 Jul 2021 06:56:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210702213648.GW817@mcvoy.com> <20210702234941.MjMt0%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20210703133458.yDV-p%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20210703133458.yDV-p%steffen@sdaoden.eu> From: Richard Salz Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 09:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: Steve Nickolas , The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000013f6dd05c638718a" Subject: Re: [TUHS] [tuhs] The Unix shell: a 50-year view X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000013f6dd05c638718a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I remember at some Usenix panel, Steve Johnson said "what happens to the Unix model when the primary mode of interaction isn't a set of bytes" This was 20+ years ago, IIRC. I think Rob Pike's ACME and Squeak tried to provide an answer to a half-way situation. --00000000000013f6dd05c638718a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I remember at some Usenix panel, Steve Johnson said "= what happens to the Unix model when the primary mode of interaction isn'= ;t a set of bytes"=C2=A0 This was 20+ years ago, IIRC. I think Rob Pik= e's ACME and Squeak tried to provide an answer to a half-way situation.=
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