From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6028 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2021 13:23:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2021 13:23:21 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D48C59C884; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 23:23:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCD39C864; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 23:22:30 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="gbsLp4qL"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 928FF9C864; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 23:22:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com (mail-oi1-f178.google.com [209.85.167.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22ED89C861 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 23:22:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 22so11237752oix.10 for ; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 06:22:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=c01jccyrhHvJlCZSz8Z5iD07WdWEl6B0ExL0M7vgagY=; b=gbsLp4qLukNxhunDj50MvzNZK3pdtfuioOOMzJxxwgWD3M3GYAnXh1yb1lrBy0B2o2 uykxHQDNGvi70IbbUNytTUkc5UYS63JskrJYHHhYC6E4tiNbpwbQeAbtayd2qVS0yC3z aaxkQd8DHrzA9l6FJ/1Actq1bGnhSo+JvK6AdSa6X6fcR+pfgnQW7f3QsOKn24XPsFXW juKxgNHvdq+lrd2zinY3CTPmQ2kNPjl5SsdyeQ0R3sowXMYIsckh0MXQy86Vg+nZHf63 3aI4re0mCazg27yeyNa/d+GNROzdtWI5gUwBuDy2PPmar+mlveBHan3I5OHvFX6a/tVP wVqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=c01jccyrhHvJlCZSz8Z5iD07WdWEl6B0ExL0M7vgagY=; b=ZUgId4XZDyloxkACP+XiAQriJfz2XuAjTWFpMdhRmfzdosfmn4pZ3CiIbOZFtYkTjW i1nPCZDJ9U9QGo6eFIK+iFx2CqV7JG8hK5uNy56uzwnXvoJkurFnTigV0Ddk56yCyV5i Gy5ytsgtt08nlzoLrWl8Av6/uI5RcqYcIswpOBx1nwKL3nVdeXXqkCdbrU+8jD2aTtGd MeXTXG8NKVlybwDE5SS+5YVVHPcse9n2Yh4acrzGLOVJzmBED6fuPuSNvs9N7UZ9xI35 CNpkig4VEqPtAvYIbQk8oPAvetu/1D3mlc4A6+O8ZiUkVHJ/J2vmnL4Z3hkmuFlYBVei dhTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hAQ6hlBkAVf59bsvpYD1fcel0MqvbCH8ge7a2O1naVVJucqGl 48cAEqmU9RhSPcIVzcUpZL/THckNWqzxnvZyVs4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy9wLYuAe3FpTbICsLFhWNTid4lmDzrGSI2mmjIQ/pX0qq+K7xL1RIAxQ00IRVTVibwVQPS85WdMxZZVhDqg20= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4713:: with SMTP id k19mr12142114oik.86.1625232144382; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Richard Salz Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:22:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: Bakul Shah Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a4becf05c623d8f8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First machine to run rogue? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a4becf05c623d8f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken Arnold posted the original source to https://sourceforge.net/projects/rogue/ back in 2000. On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:12 AM Bakul Shah wrote: > Glenn wrote up a brief history where he says it was first distributed wit= h > 4.2bsd. > > https://web.archive.org/web/19980625212119/http://www.wichman.org/roguehi= story.html > > @ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college students working for a > contract company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for us. He was on= e > of them and later we hired him full time. I didn=E2=80=99t interact with = him much > though and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I think initially we > had only a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do not recall if h= e > brought it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the Fortune machine. I > used to play Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to finish. A few yea= rs > ago I got it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 100%! > > On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Dan Cross wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM wrote: > >> Is the rogue source extant? I remember many people spending many >> hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech. >> >> ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source. >> > > It is; it looks like it was first distributed with 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The > sources there are listed as "public domain rogue", but I'm not sure about > the provenance of that code. > > - Dan C. > > > Arnold >> >> Dan Cross wrote: >> >> > Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspicion i= s >> > that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate. >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole wrote: >> > >> > > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don=E2= =80=99t >> remember >> > > if we had it on the 11/60 before that. >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross wrote: >> > > >> > >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it was >> written >> > >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, using t= he >> > >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann's rewrite). >> I've seen >> > >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition, but >> that >> > >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find in BSD is >> in 2.79 >> > >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first release to ship >> curses. >> > >> >> > >> Anyone have any info? Thanks! >> > >> >> > >> - Dan C. >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual >> > > >> > --000000000000a4becf05c623d8f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ken Arnold posted the original source to https://sourceforge.net/projects/rogue/<= /a> back in 2000.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:12 AM Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org> wrote:
Glenn wrote up a brief history where he says it= was first distributed with 4.2bsd.

@ Fortune Systems in 1983/83 we had 3-4 college students working f= or a contract company Santa Cruz Operations(?) doing testing for us. He was= one of them and later we hired him full time. I didn=E2=80=99t interact wi= th him much though and once I quit Fortune I lost track of him. I think ini= tially we had only a rogue binary on 4.1 running on VAX780 but I do not rec= all if he brought it to Fortune. Someone later ported it to the =C2=A0Fortu= ne machine. I used to play Rogue while waiting for kernel compiles to finis= h. A few years ago I got it on FreeBSD and my muscle memory came back 100%!=

On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:1= 6 AM, Dan Cross <c= rossd@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
On Fri, J= ul 2, 2021 at 7:40 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
Is the rogue source extant?=C2=A0 I remember many pe= ople spending many
hours on rogue on the 4.[12] BSD vax at Georgia Tech.

ISTR that rogue only came as a binary, there was no source.

It is; it looks like it was first distributed=C2=A0wit= h 4.3BSD-Tahoe. The sources there are listed=C2=A0as "public domain ro= gue", but I'm not sure about the provenance of that code.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.

<= div>
Arnold

Dan Cross <crossd@= gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Clem. I'm curious what other lore is out there: my suspici= on is
> that rogue never ran on vanilla v6, but it would be great to validate.=
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:51 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> > I first got it on V7, as I said on our 11/70 for sure but I don= =E2=80=99t remember
> > if we had it on the 11/60 before that.
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:07 PM Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> What was the first machine to run rogue? I understand that it= was written
> >> by Glenn Wichman and Michael Toy at UC Santa Cruz ca. 1980, u= sing the
> >> `curses` library (Ken Arnold's original, not Mary Ann'= ;s rewrite). I've seen
> >> at least one place that indicates it first ran on 6th Edition= , but that
> >> doesn't sound right to me. The first reference I can find= in BSD is in 2.79
> >> ("rogue.doc"), which also appears to be the first r= elease to ship curses.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any info? Thanks!
> >>
> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Dan C.
> >>
> >> --
> > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual
> >
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