From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11248 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2023 14:54:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 22 Jul 2023 14:54:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6AC241059; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:54:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-x62a.google.com (mail-ej1-x62a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62a]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0433B40BE3 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:54:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-99b78fda9a8so127863066b.1 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2023 07:54:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1690037672; x=1690642472; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YQKZ39PrjT2SGiJhJCK5Jbx1KAmAUc4K4Lgy5etDnIo=; b=nwZcAuZEBrxnnoktLJ/rE2ZHCtpNRmOfc8M+4szh2Qu2pcHpkRdAKj0ZIEdWRphl1X rVnYY5lPjp4zrO+ogVBGMI3i97Kcj21lfEY/Pg/U4TvUS2FYsrXCpirN6LdR7BLshmkS 1tZM81eKPMSarQWLZcp/1c9dtJdbajlDZ7mHk6Ye18gcpoe6uC0bcKK2/+PYqalRDP15 6xi+2YaoDrdJyn8qxcYOiYvTwjFKSiHTC6QFD4fZvOeTToXEAYC7406NpnRtmWSPxIEj Kku5g2f3lA5TPwCU/YAAaOn0GKupCuHOZd/tjKQfyC8dVrhcshvfIuzOj9O177A4i8KP G6fQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690037672; x=1690642472; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=YQKZ39PrjT2SGiJhJCK5Jbx1KAmAUc4K4Lgy5etDnIo=; b=DpTdmF2cUyRXcjIKdpVVTEXkjYGbtD7u1OMyjIxxYnI6yGCL0P6+RUAZTaoStWECxB 3avVfhRRw+JQ9zDIhNrvH2iTEJLrNR2uTvpSkpvYThLmqybm3SdPjZFgs0MOQwoll7uR zgtnx5Bur/+uDLqhhlqliSKavvQ8sqo5jHCfIqWrfacGbYH7i+0Suh/AJ0U7vaVC2Pj2 7V4P6/HknSrYS0BsCJpj5eCs/ltZVTbmgByR2h+OECo3vEp3dYrQbpksSkqpmXzXuF5t +6LJNnZZvZ1zZQvK5Xfl3xfLeG6PfcBKT4POnKGEj86N7ocBiMzoa2nkjzkV3zaqUg/8 A/Yw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZOb7LTehvGoV3hha87zLG54lCYYzzH74XfCaZ8KgEbhh/j7t8B 2YyKYno8QGsyu8c+7fnXu3ddDVj9yfQU9Y0mvqo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlHZasHQV0EQQQTXhrcLyuF5YM+myO0XsOw5/YGvPvyer7a6ZYRSeKh89xT6rJgLyPodHWtczyCgIim0Sac1MB0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:5d:b0:977:eed1:453c with SMTP id 29-20020a170906005d00b00977eed1453cmr4343228ejg.73.1690037671935; Sat, 22 Jul 2023 07:54:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rich Salz Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 07:54:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: Rich Morin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000017c0ab0601148f18" Message-ID-Hash: LZDP7R4EOBUHTOGAAJCNCC73TIIM3RPP X-Message-ID-Hash: LZDP7R4EOBUHTOGAAJCNCC73TIIM3RPP X-MailFrom: rich.salz@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Cool talk on Unix and Sendmail history, by Eric Allman List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000017c0ab0601148f18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" He says he wraps everything he uses in the standard library; "this tends to make my code idiosyncratic." At some Usenix, someone once summed it up to me as "It is the most beautiful code that is completely unmodifiable." Seemed appropriate. (Compare to procmail, where the quote was "seen the source? Gaah, my eyes are melting.") I enjoyed watching this, thanks. I agree with the other comment "what, nothing about security?" Sendmail did enable the first Internet worm :) --00000000000017c0ab0601148f18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
He says he wraps everything he uses = in the standard library; "this tends to make my code idiosyncratic.&qu= ot;=C2=A0 At some Usenix, someone once summed it up to me as "It is th= e most beautiful code that is completely unmodifiable."=C2=A0 Seemed a= ppropriate.=C2=A0 (Compare to procmail, where the quote was "seen the = source? Gaah, my eyes are melting.")

I enjoye= d watching this, thanks. I agree with the other comment "what, nothing= about security?" Sendmail did enable the first Internet worm :)

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