From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20717 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2023 16:42:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 25 Jan 2023 16:42:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7323D423C3; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 02:42:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f178.google.com (mail-pl1-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 452FC423B1 for ; Thu, 26 Jan 2023 02:42:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 5so13089317plo.3 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 08:42:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=X3FMnoW/F8j8mrjCriaFed14u6J9h1ov749lb8HrkiQ=; b=KRLCP2CovrcJXIG705gTYgGWwIJp+mSfSbFq8jWeJl3zbJGlgt8G6JfuFGwg2L7QnX FmqKqAR4he81VuQiaf5DBbWP6goF84dc9yhQ3fdWXTX9agoLWkqK46y2OAg2zPo3su+R jQUsemkff5rG01Lmq2T+yGC7yrd6WsN1goWAagpi+nOJG6JjyS9bTB+ArI2FdI7Trtyy Tz7Sb2W+lSwMq6wARx7VecNiSkqvBOrn6s1DOlZ95fZJ6OurB1BskX6ubog4EZ0UP8pV Ayql8bdZqmb1BHwdRj74tNG112wQntPuLi52vEbB11uaLULBOQGDixPBqrkSyH9p/dVt Dbrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=X3FMnoW/F8j8mrjCriaFed14u6J9h1ov749lb8HrkiQ=; b=ZH5TXymCCoDK120HPBkLpQcoTCgVYx2dZL3RQXrKObyq86dvnCl02FoRlnIGuJ9D3c NHgWoWpjQ/vhSvKgbS0sNlqQOnzAlyRCIys2qlagpt46fC/vI5WAQcud7uYBk4YU4K9/ TGwAwzF8rToddeAm7Sr9CibQyQXud0qKQVAQ8OSAw94/h7bTKsomggJ8azAcDADfe1a+ jdrM2JqKsWT1kddEqAj2WhE/Wut0PPRcLEuOEwOxyCF0zuT3zhnO6GZyJ/nCXsN/y8Gy IdC+1SJl5iqFOuISLq4BIU+9Cy9IoU185VNGPIW9uRwqdtUqoXuww2tITzNvqsDy/gm3 zKOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kopyYrXcplAgJCfY6w6QrfN8my2gSgEYuSSPM+kaVQzXdSnj3zy rDKcKStNX58njcVeJPcpa7z60Sl5gDOMea3vsDE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXuQYqYdLCv6SxZtMdOYWIaT+sSVTIzeQon4qauwkoHDx2SRth1DKUqmePIflBzVTMuQG6FzNvnKfzPQFPD53Yc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:7d05:b0:229:1cb8:8f1c with SMTP id g5-20020a17090a7d0500b002291cb88f1cmr3623505pjl.65.1674664883439; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 08:41:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3e272d72-b77a-d347-b5c3-7ed19482e5af@gmail.com> <3h5FEAegoTs6FrhHODiW-rBdB59dt_Rmr4G0PIw7flqaJLsmorgPsilm4f2aJkDud-qEljDjnCJcE1uY05Iw4HNQcyNG4W3wzVlLD0UZfLg=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3h5FEAegoTs6FrhHODiW-rBdB59dt_Rmr4G0PIw7flqaJLsmorgPsilm4f2aJkDud-qEljDjnCJcE1uY05Iw4HNQcyNG4W3wzVlLD0UZfLg=@protonmail.com> From: Rich Salz Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:41:12 -0500 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007ecc3405f3194d0c" Message-ID-Hash: APUDYJG72HO3N7ZKUTAIKBNROY5CDHZI X-Message-ID-Hash: APUDYJG72HO3N7ZKUTAIKBNROY5CDHZI X-MailFrom: rich.salz@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS main list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Setting up an X Development Environment for Mac OS List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000007ecc3405f3194d0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Aa for the questions of the UNIX-ness of X, it started in Athena, which as > I understand it was supposed to be relatively OS-agnostic distributed > computing? In any case, the predecessor ran on a different OS, not sure how > significant that is to the genesis of what would be called X or what OS it > "started" on. > Athena was about scaling up Unix workstations. It was started with grants from IBM and Digital. It was never OS-agnostic. You can find a brief history of X at https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-power-tools/9780596101954/ch01.html, and the Wikipedia article on the X Window System is pretty good; reed the "History" section. --0000000000007ecc3405f3194d0c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Aa for the questions of the UNIX-ness o= f X, it started in Athena, which as I understand it was supposed to be rela= tively OS-agnostic distributed computing? In any case, the predecessor ran = on a different OS, not sure how significant that is to the genesis of what = would be called X or what OS it "started" on.
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Athena was about scaling up Unix workstations. It was st= arted with grants from IBM and Digital. It was never OS-agnostic.

You can find a brief history of X at https://ww= w.oreilly.com/library/view/x-power-tools/9780596101954/ch01.html, and t= he Wikipedia article on the X Window System is pretty good; reed the "= History" section.

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