From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@gmail.com>
To: Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] V9 shell [was Re: Warner's Early Unix Presentation]
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:35:07 -0500 [thread overview]
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2020 at 05:00, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
> My general mood about the current standard way of nerd working is how
> unimaginative and old-fashioned it feels. There are countless ways we could
> be interacting with our terminals, editors, and shells while we program,
> but for various sociological and historical reasons we're pretty much using
> one from decades ago. I'm sure it's productive for almost everyone, but it
> seems dull to me. We could be doing something much more dynamic. I mean,
> xterm is hardly more sophisticated than the lame terminal code that ran in
> mpx (ca. 1982), other than colors and cursor addressing, which date from
> the 1960s via early PCs. IDEs don't sing to me, although they are powerful,
> because they don't integrate well with the environment, only with the
> language. And they are just lots of features, not a coherent vision. No
> model to speak of.
>
> Compare what happened with our shell windows with what happened with our
> "smart" phones in the last 20 years and you'll get some inkling of what I
> think we're missing. It's not that we should program the way we use
> iPhones, but that there are fields where user interface work has made a
> real different recently. Not so in programming, though. We're missing out.
>
> But I'm a grumpy old man and getting far off topic. Warren should cry,
> "enough!".
>
I recently saw indication that the UI for Sam and Acme were inspired by
Oberon. (And per url [1] below, Rob Pike is quoted, sort of...)
I'd be interested (and I think that's a TUHS thing ;-) ) in hearing some
elaboration on that. All that is said is that "Rob was blown away" and
that this "influenced" Sam/Acme; is there some further explanation of that
worth pointing at? (Or are some Oberon fans putting words in mouths? ;-) )
[1] https://lists.inf.ethz.ch/pipermail/oberon/2011/006245.html
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-07 22:25 [TUHS] Warner's Early Unix Presentation Warren Toomey
2020-02-07 23:57 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 0:43 ` Warren Toomey
2020-02-08 3:37 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-08 15:15 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-08 21:50 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 22:29 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-08 22:54 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 23:02 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-08 23:11 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 23:13 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 23:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2020-02-08 23:26 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 23:28 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-08 23:26 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-08 23:29 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-08 23:35 ` Warner Losh
2020-02-08 23:36 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-08 23:54 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-09 0:11 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-09 0:19 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-08 22:31 ` Richard Salz
2020-02-10 13:18 ` Tony Finch
2020-02-10 15:05 ` Dan Cross
2020-02-10 15:46 ` [TUHS] V9 shell [was Re: Warner's Early Unix Presentation] arnold
2020-02-10 18:39 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-10 18:59 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-10 19:58 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2020-02-10 20:11 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-11 9:33 ` arnold
2020-02-11 9:47 ` Noel Hunt
2020-02-11 9:47 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-11 9:59 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-11 17:05 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-02-11 17:18 ` Arthur Krewat
2020-02-11 18:22 ` Kurt H Maier
2020-02-16 21:34 ` Wesley Parish
2020-02-11 18:26 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-11 23:56 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-02-12 0:12 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-02-12 1:03 ` [TUHS] V9 shell Warren Toomey
2020-02-12 5:54 ` [TUHS] V9 shell [was Re: Warner's Early Unix Presentation] Rob Pike
2020-02-11 17:36 ` Dan Cross
2020-02-11 18:35 ` Christopher Browne [this message]
2020-02-11 18:54 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-11 21:36 ` Harald Arnesen
2020-02-11 3:32 Doug McIlroy
2020-02-11 3:53 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-11 11:24 ` Ralph Corderoy
2020-02-11 15:51 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-11 4:46 ` Warren Toomey
2020-02-11 5:12 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-11 6:33 ` Rob Pike
2020-02-11 9:40 ` arnold
2020-02-11 15:06 ` Chet Ramey
2020-02-11 14:36 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-11 15:29 ` Mike Markowski
2020-02-11 16:03 ` Bakul Shah
2020-02-11 17:12 ` Clem Cole
2020-02-11 17:17 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-02-11 17:21 ` Dan Cross
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