From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 742 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2020 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Jul 2020 16:46:46 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AB93B9C8C5; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:46:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AEC94EB8; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:45:25 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="JXaiz57Z"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 98DDC94EB8; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:45:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f66.google.com (mail-vs1-f66.google.com [209.85.217.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E910994585; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:45:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f66.google.com with SMTP id b77so6422721vsd.8; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:45:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HLIU2jlMHaUKpcui7dWrDQTF6YPJS31MZ6TnaQAzN/M=; b=JXaiz57ZUD2kE/UMteTje6wktgrX1kFbRm9KXcPAAIQOsFOFlsA64oL9htv0VcUWUE uPQL+QFy8TuGyoht0+iwAYRLwLImaoOPEU8SjxU8YfqvxA+mxmdMks26m7jk6xe2/ONo ++wsM21HAKMZdDZ/bNArUApbELuRqa2upOAh8HsYB9aSEvPncqwygq99hQPqNJnRyBoe R7NjC72W3WV1Dz29+e1HvqodfAb1M+usfYZM2Xpz24nE0FD4kNrtliW8B97/OaTFf+yw VgOdxUF+Zmo5IxjiUuljLuvio2T1LgK+6mg6OXdVTSpY1g4dJFs2wcDrl9isJ6H9eJoc MBYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HLIU2jlMHaUKpcui7dWrDQTF6YPJS31MZ6TnaQAzN/M=; b=Eh5s678wfB4wMROVg5tO1GZFMMBiAUBr7Ed4AzabtH+pRgyH9/hxsIU6htFpLyIJub wOLIDcPx1DU8mvhOwWCqum5oMmQs0WGC1KTC3CuQ/g4DHN5SwZbMarh6N+aRwUOl5fiy aYaYpFJU7kR1w8OMdTjeSgZCHJVqZBB204iRjgqYrBMDgX2fJQpVp5sP0GIUa/5LiBxg rFKEkWH7EHTYX5/MN0KPL+m2Pq5gKrgm5kAyfDtOwMnT/ItS0CTF/wVGSfowfXkFbBv6 W9Tut/3/pf5n8+1rXGSnH4thazJPaG0H11NPchMPcx0yGbz6Q6rYdH4MfGHuserWnXRx 4fNw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KhrWvf9lwxYU6ey54huSkGwIdd4SARYV+vNLeSiDG5zeyuULW 5lMD4TjkgihwE6H9t1vQ9ysEihhAR6qTFDP7Cak= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx4/p4tc5j89P+cbGmFC1WGpBeayQsK/96QHmn8/r4wdPp0zjz0cWL+l8TOb7SuhEqRDl3ewqAtnZsKHy7iR5c= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f454:: with SMTP id r20mr10232898vsn.20.1595090719692; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200717180831.5D4AB43F88@lignose.oclsc.org> <20200717195358.GA14847@minnie.tuhs.org> <20200717195718.GM18565@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20200717195718.GM18565@mcvoy.com> From: Christopher Browne Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:45:07 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bb609105aab9ffa0" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Linux is on-topic X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000bb609105aab9ffa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 15:58, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 05:53:58AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 02:08:31PM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote: > > > In my humble-but-correct opinion*, Linux and its > > > origins fit into the general topic of UNIX history.. > > > Warren gets final say, of course, but to encourage > > > him I will say: Ploooogie! > > > > I'm happy with it, you silly twisted boy, you. > > But +1 to Grant's point not to turn TUHS into a Linux support forum. > Quite frankly, I'm old dude who relies on his kids to fix his phone > and I can google and find answers to just about any Linux problem. > So no need for that here. > I think back to those mouldy oldie days, and my set of early things were... - First got exposed to BSD 4.1 with MFCF extensions ('86) - Couldn't afford *real* hardware, so I tracked whatever could run on Atari ST, and the biggest improvement I was able to get there was to be able to run Bash, early GCC, and sundry GNU tools, where I couldn't spawn multiple processes, but there was still plenty of useful - Then followed the MiNT period (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiNT) where we accepted that MiNT is NOT TOS, but still lended a POSIX interface, only to be briefly overjoyed at the rename to "MiNT is NOW TOS" - First paid work on Unix ('93) involved SCO (where that was the debugging platform for some C code targeting VMS!); that was a platform where I was pretty overjoyed to discover I could run multiple terms on a single console. And found it odd when people thought this was a huge innovation of Linux... I'm not sure I have much that's extraordinarily interesting to say about MiNT, but I'd think that to be pretty on-topic for TUHS :-). -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?" --000000000000bb609105aab9ffa0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 at 15:58, Larry = McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 05:53:58AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 02:08:31PM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote:
> > In my humble-but-correct opinion*, Linux and its
> > origins fit into the general topic of UNIX history..
> > Warren gets final say, of course, but to encourage
> > him I will say: Ploooogie!
>
> I'm happy with it, you silly twisted boy, you.

But +1 to Grant's point not to turn TUHS into a Linux support forum. Quite frankly, I'm old dude who relies on his kids to fix his phone
and I can google and find answers to just about any Linux problem.
So no need for that here.

I think back to those mould= y oldie days, and my set of early things were...
- First got expo= sed to BSD 4.1 with MFCF extensions ('86)
- Couldn't = afford *real* hardware, so I tracked whatever could run on
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Atari ST, and the biggest improvement I was able to get there was
=C2=A0=C2=A0 to be able to run Bash, early GCC, and sundry GNU tool= s, where
=C2=A0=C2=A0 I couldn't spawn multiple processes, bu= t there was still plenty of useful
- Then followed the MiNT perio= d (https://en.wikipedia.org/= wiki/MiNT)
=C2=A0=C2=A0 where we accepted that MiNT is NOT TO= S, but still lended a POSIX
=C2=A0=C2=A0 interface, only to be br= iefly overjoyed at the rename to "MiNT is
=C2=A0=C2=A0 = NOW TOS"
- First paid work on Unix ('93) involved SCO (w= here that was the
=C2=A0 debugging platform for some C code = targeting VMS!); that was a
=C2=A0 platform where I was pret= ty overjoyed to discover I could run multiple
=C2=A0 terms o= n a single console.=C2=A0 And found it odd when people thought this
=C2=A0 was a huge innovation of Linux...

I'm not sure I have much that's extraordinarily interesting to s= ay about
MiNT, but I'd think that to be pretty on-topic for T= UHS :-).
--
When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to thequestion, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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