From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32341 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2023 20:32:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Mar 2023 20:32:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC3841301; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 06:32:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yw1-x1131.google.com (mail-yw1-x1131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 536D8412FA for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2023 06:32:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yw1-x1131.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-536c02eea4dso326670787b3.4 for ; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 12:32:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678307559; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=fItqfk88qriNk6aJtHXPM4EDfLE1h3nX721EdXPoqY0=; b=QNeJUvw5pOtxJ/jh1IxLns0B4YBknaFvoFJO1Ucmaa+gD6Iii3rHvMH8tEdHw3snx3 aJls8UT4XZsQtw9aQ7zcaWju2vBqilXJ5aaijo41J+wGc+Fq8sea6+qU1miLr5/mYFd4 j5rZkBiIVeaomC9YBjH+dhWZKQIag1oRcCHQA3/hSeigsvEpB1m/rlcMy4xm8R2vre8M 8di0tniRx1qIPRn9/sZCHKr87ig4HWkWC03foUlfHO99by6mjIJW0Kf1/usqvlT/gI2i M/+OJcBjHhhqsuHmNNOWRDBt37Oe+kJKea07t98JjX52wEnI/o4vA5P5/j0JaHxkCLYD 7H4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678307559; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fItqfk88qriNk6aJtHXPM4EDfLE1h3nX721EdXPoqY0=; b=nCApa4z2IR14qxRjOpfUmnDnNBSKKRTfa7g08HVNpEC2nalhnOjLmzWEGwaikqOVTf bhke7kUlXD2Kf4IS+9ajBOm+RUI74tUbF58/TA0K22kImBq7WEuPDd6Mhwx/mCPgsZy2 dbkM0fSrfw70tUVeG1RyWHHfRs+bA5GGucSr1RRdQRwcH2KDG/3AeRln9IAD2Avya0TO w5lI69YNEVHmZirh/HXf8whx+JHCVAvZuK+eWiZ2RYZSHqJ7W90BOYe+UUC3fKDrcsFL syvcWtvqtIB9MNxW9R1xBOv8IBYQ0Ni5aace09te/13rfK6OBdUTWidoyCpXaYQzLtzi kZqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXlUI8hx7t45pbMJiOvpKdrdEB/0oAoQ1zj8Jg+ERqGwiUzGqQY KSKtKiu4cJ9jdUfkZrN3Q1hZ3zOV3Fyl2xMQMmk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9rhjPoYY7D3TtUVHTdVVeVgZt0mf2KIZgBTThEjH8+qyWkTkMWjUB3bKiN0CUT8VrzVst92LbH4zFsk0fiRK0= X-Received: by 2002:a81:4326:0:b0:535:18be:4127 with SMTP id q38-20020a814326000000b0053518be4127mr11867707ywa.1.1678307559123; Wed, 08 Mar 2023 12:32:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: josh Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2023 15:55:46 -0500 Message-ID: To: Angelo Papenhoff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: C3XICQR3X6PVD6OIB3PWT4Z2UPAFDSIB X-Message-ID-Hash: C3XICQR3X6PVD6OIB3PWT4Z2UPAFDSIB X-MailFrom: joshnatis0@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco via TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Fifth Edition Manual Restoration List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Angelo, G. Branden Robinson, (CCed on this email) attempted a somewhat similar miss= ion, re-typesetting the paper "Typesetting Mathematics by Kernighan and Cherry" = with groff. If you look through the email thread detailing the result [1], you c= an see notes about aesthetic regressions from the original troff document, and Branden's attempts to fix them. Hope you don't mind me summoning you, Brand= en :). [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/groff/2022-07/msg00000.html Additionally (though unrelated to roff), the Computerphile youtube channel = has a video [2] you may find interesting titled "Recreating Dennis Ritchie's Ph= D Thesis", in which they discuss how they went about making a faithful recrea= tion of dmr's unsubmitted PhD thesis. [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D82TxNejKsng Hope this generates some interesting discussion? :) Josh On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 11:30=E2=80=AFAM Angelo Papenhoff wr= ote: > > Something I'd like is to recreate the original troff output exactly. I > used troff from plan 9 (so same lineage as original troff) but something > causes the output to not look exactly like the original. I don't > remember what it is exactly but you can easily check by comparing my > pdfs with the scan. Line lengths, page length, something like that. > > I don't know if this is just a troff setting or if troff had changed > enough to cause this difference. Unfortunately the original troff is > lost so no way to compare. v7 (or PWB?) is the earliest version of troff > that's still around. And even then one would need CAT emulation, which I > haven't bothered with yet. > > Cheers, > Angelo > > > On 08/03/23, segaloco wrote: > > Ouch....well I'm glad I shared then, I had no idea someone had already = done this....well good to know, I guess I can move on to the CB and MERT ma= nuals then. > > > > - Matt G. > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Wednesday, March 8th, 2023 at 2:02 AM, Angelo Papenhoff wrote: > > > > > > > I've done this a couple of years ago: > > > http://squoze.net/UNIX > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Angelo > > > > > > On 08/03/23, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > > > > > > So I decided to keep the momentum and have just finished the first = pass of a Fifth Edition manual restoration based on the same process I used= for 3B20 4.1: > > > > > > > > https://gitlab.com/segaloco/v5man > > > > > > > > There were a few pages missing from the extant PDF scan, at least a= s far as pages that were in both V4 and V6 sources, so those are handled by= seeing how V5 source of the few programs compares to V6. I'll note which p= ages required this in a second pass. > > > > > > > > I've set my sights on V1 and V2 next, using V3's extant roff source= s as a starting point, so more to come. > > > > > > > > - Matt G.