From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: ken@google.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:57:08 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63 In-Reply-To: <20170116192112.GR6647@mcvoy.com> References: <20170116164421.GJ6647@mcvoy.com> <20170116192112.GR6647@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: note: this is my partisan recollection. a network proposal would arise from the previous BIG network failure. it would have a name like super-colossal-inter-galactic-hyper- bolic-better-than-last-time network. it would have merits that spoke to the failure of the last attempt. then some marketeers (all sun-tanned ex-IBM executives, i do remember one in particular -- roger moody) would try to get bell to warp the engineering so that they had an advantage from the inside on content. after all, money was to be made on services, not transportation. this would make the engineering teeter and after more and more "requirements" it would eventually fall. and then we start over with "stupendous" added to the new project name. thus, it is my opinion that it was totally impossible to make a network with engineers direct by marketeers. there are several things that should also be understood. the bell vs ibm rivalry; the new competition on phones; the desire to be in services and not equipment. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Larry McVoy wrote: > It is pretty stunning that the company that had the largest network > in the world (the phone system of course) didn't get packet switching > at all. I dunno how Bell Labs was allowed to do all that great work > with management that clueless, that's a minor (major?) miracle right > there. > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:17:09AM -0800, Steve Johnson wrote: >> This comment reminded me of an internal talk I attended at Bell >> Labs.?? It had the single most powerful slide I've ever seen in a >> talk.?? It was a talk about internal networking, and the slide looked >> like your standard network diagram -- lots of circles with lots of >> lines connecting them.?? The computation centers were networked.?? >> UUCP was on there, and datakit. >> >> But dead in the middle of the slide was a circle that had absolutely >> no connections with anything.?? Of course, somebody asked about, and >> was told "Oh.?? That's the networking department..." >> >> As I recall, said department ceased to exist about a month later... >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Larry McVoy" >> >> . . . >> AT&T seemed pretty clueless about networking. >> . . . >> > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm