From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10779 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2021 18:44:24 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Feb 2021 18:44:24 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7B6709C7A3; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:44:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5794D9BA50; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:44:09 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="SN93DmHg"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8AAD69BA50; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:44:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f48.google.com (mail-ua1-f48.google.com [209.85.222.48]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07E659BA42 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 04:44:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f48.google.com with SMTP id f10so1826797uaa.8 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 10:44:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=quZwkKve1kINsB4C/4NVWKXC9rEFps55n6xQiXxhTc0=; b=SN93DmHgVHB+Imz3M/U91KxcRceaRzhCQGancdTdTr6F/phuPTS3eYhJYLV6+cilAd DpLzifAAxaF1RAVrzQq4/WHWYI22tI67Njk02FQX5mpqXtCj9fTq8fW7gTViyvqXsMBq PpdlQnF9Zfdy7xvyIhR6GZ8qu1jgdGlJKstTruuWGJTMoLOqIV6oKnQkyRFVioEJe+lh 1EeOKFZUtuZUuZ+O7qoLZ3XKInKAWSt0xfJs9cPlvJxQ4GFCwsHWLE8XJZj3E72SJ9aC d8ehF9nz+Q/aiSxZK8gvl/wgu8qW9kocFZC54e3YpyIypSOhwJy2PC5XNZeIVe2AQL60 TKCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=quZwkKve1kINsB4C/4NVWKXC9rEFps55n6xQiXxhTc0=; b=pBLvTPwaeMGLUIE4qLHmUbQJU3YeUhY+H8HDG6As7MBwJtKNu4wo+uwZtjaeOhj/dM FSvy8TW+5a6lio5buF310nov4LoSGpQPggcICUZbzKnG91mMFXuFqwXTtOnBH01ZMKOy ABa7NeH6s8gLu4M1fdAVHwGpddPXkYOr3C9vCC6wFd9P2zWdcFp5wy22L5wFttzrSnMN 7IyispKROWjHreMZespB4JNynjcgyz+OsWeU0uDdJrAfhs7ojRsm0Y5hf+cEIpWWQMue JyP0h5M/gcyL5zRlVm2+Sy6wV1A4lhKirCx0XYbWn4wHvI4zOh0STl0nxeeMxC9BaKe4 +Dtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532+I6AObSrsnul1RTh/LiWyZ7Z5DXtMfZ2x1HvgUKlX54sTfHCU uIshGxz8MOLCoSqxAM9fX2OUWmxlNxaTU+L0yg8vLNQx6f8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHuuRBWbgr00NnlCG+oFFJnA/67nDmKi6aLz2kOUQAtcjaC7o0NHgPJS80coTHgk/4ljjnnx6oqid9w3TPJ9k= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:205:: with SMTP id 5mr10164934uas.117.1612809846192; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 10:44:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dan Stromberg Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:43:54 -0800 Message-ID: To: Will Senn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f8fde305bad78d7d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Macs and future unix derivatives X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f8fde305bad78d7d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 10:12 AM Will Senn wrote: > All, > > My thought for the day and question for the group is... It seems that the > options for a free operating system (free as in freedom) are becoming ever > more limited - Microsoft, this week, announced that their Edge update will > remove Edge Legacy and IE while doing the update - nuts; Mac's desktop is > turning into IOS - ew, ick; and Linux is wild west meets dictatorship and > major corporations are moving in to set their direction (Microsoft, Oracle, > IBM, etc.). FreeBSD we've beat to death over the last couple of weeks, so > I'll leave it out of the mix for now. What in our unix past speaks to the > current circumstance and what do those of you who lived those events see as > possibilities for the next revolution - and, will unix be part of it? > > And a bonus question, why, oh why, can't we have a contained kernel that > provides minimal functionality (dare I say microkernel), that is securable, > and layers above it that other stuff (everything else) can run on with > auditing and suchlike for traceability? > I love Linux, especially Debian lately. But I also have high hopes for Redox OS, and may switch someday: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox_(operating_system) https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/29/after_four_years_rusty_os_nearly_selfhosting/ --000000000000f8fde305bad78d7d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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<= div> My thought for the day and question for the group is... It seems that the options for a free operating system (free as in freedom) are becoming ever more limited - Microsoft, this week, announced that their Edge update will remove Edge Legacy and IE while doing the update - nuts; Mac's desktop is turning into IOS - ew, ick; and Linux is wild west meets dictatorship and major corporations are moving in to set their direction (Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, etc.). FreeBSD we've beat to death over the last couple of weeks, so I'll leave it out of the mix for now. What in our unix past speaks to the current circumstance and what do those of you who lived those events see as possibilities for the next revolution - and, will unix be part of it?

And a bonus question, why, oh why, can't we have a contained kernel that provides minimal functionality (dare I say microkernel), that is securable, and layers above it that other stuff (everything else) can run on with auditing and suchlike for traceability?

I love Lin= ux, especially Debian lately.

But I also have high= hopes for Redox OS, and may switch someday:

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