From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 0edc5ec6 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 20:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E7F92A272E; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:03:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B4BA26E7; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:03:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DADA8A26E7; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:03:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it1-f171.google.com (mail-it1-f171.google.com [209.85.166.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE61E93FC6 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2018 06:02:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it1-f171.google.com with SMTP id x124so3938472itd.1 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 12:02:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wKBDBCIv8Aq8boXWKykoB50Nwk37uvQRndwwQTpH+78=; b=nA50vTY8wf0VVIA9ZW05v5aOxIFxTizfokm9zRaaOsQB0zF7hJEdz5yXWYQH2YZ5ml E4xzSTl3fjLDE5P/5Jm8ynqkOe7DQ5qUoIvwa8sQuFDs/YSo2QGjV2VxLA0J7bd6thPe XZ8WvEV3c57ErMPtcJR1P9HdXyP1Gbc5iEWsrnPVaJQQAZuOkGnUEzuTx9TPbnv3cBiF 4qWQsfLAOIfij026r3ad5m3l8h/roF9M8EKyOT9gXqjcQIRoSZPyoZV1jyDdTjpWmK8v La8dmY3g9Xga987cdQTgVbFFe924RK9M1l3xu6A38eSP0ViM5StryxkBxJZsL9fa8KM8 4kdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wKBDBCIv8Aq8boXWKykoB50Nwk37uvQRndwwQTpH+78=; b=R/gLg8bw1yMraZ7pjGnNKiImmrv1QjU1UClxxGrvEXpCUnCW4G55ybtFkPC7alPpco 33QCZWjwyVF9Sajp0Hfu8JrryUQDF32Id7RzYFmUOHolDA7qYuRlv0kOh8zI/mPdLHk7 iY/y+S3FqlTuOc/XpJHNRXIloR1vqtfwTegtXnA4m3RcSfuEq7JpteBTEFk6n4PXYj/x AJSrZqkqsHaQy/cC+FDbGy2oO4+nuuIUEE/Av6uu0QAqnY3SSRV2qMT7sdZlTwZM18kH KCmjyrXMM+1N2QRcHUfhgAVvbCd3A9MokiRIc7HC3J8e11c32659wo8muAWNu/+bVmrM YOIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLN4c3zskpVMHr5Fgel5AFKTcLLHFFgTcmxs/NjJC10fLSfIbo4 WZ+MT7u/TYLG0b0pTQrjKx4EsuSj0Gfa7YFrINGwgg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dAR6gpA4V0Og7SNwRJGYtqBbBu8YMgdeggp+7/IZmrm9cWwTUq5kYi8d+/1jJl3hq0xOwEFjEdLq/byteqkLA= X-Received: by 2002:a02:9d4b:: with SMTP id m11mr14804526jal.121.1542484973885; Sat, 17 Nov 2018 12:02:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201811160003.wAG03mlF139232@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <20181116045016.GK3341@mcvoy.com> <201811171814.wAHIErpp025616@freefriends.org> <20181117182108.GA15914@wopr> In-Reply-To: <20181117182108.GA15914@wopr> From: Noel Hunt Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 07:02:27 +1100 Message-ID: To: khm@sciops.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f09e1f057ae1c4aa" Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society , Doug McIlroy Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f09e1f057ae1c4aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Surely then, your remarks are a more damning assessment of the Linux manuals, in that the terrible state of the documentation is now a result of 'professionals'. On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:21 AM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11:14:53AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > The man page authors / tech writers at Sun were paid to write man > > pages, and learned / were taught how to do it well. The Linux stuff is > > done by volunteers. You're comparing apples and oranges. > > How do we kill this meme? Linux is open to contribution by volunteers > but the overwhelming majority of the work done on the OS for *at least* > the last ten years has been by professionals who are paid to work on > Linux. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous, and anyway I'm not sure > why the OS that powers pacemakers and self-driving car research gets to > be held to a lower standard. > > khm > --000000000000f09e1f057ae1c4aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Surely then, your remarks are a more damning
assessment of = the Linux manuals, in that the
terrible state of the documentation is now = a
result of 'professionals'.


On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:21 AM Kurt H Maier &l= t;khm@sciops.net>= ; wrote:
On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11= :14:53AM -0700, arno= ld@skeeve.com wrote:
>
> The man page authors / tech writers at Sun were paid to write man
> pages, and learned / were taught how to do it well. The Linux stuff is=
> done by volunteers.=C2=A0 You're comparing apples and oranges.

How do we kill this meme?=C2=A0 Linux is open to contribution by volunteers=
but the overwhelming majority of the work done on the OS for *at least*
the last ten years has been by professionals who are paid to work on
Linux.=C2=A0 Pretending otherwise is disingenuous, and anyway I'm not s= ure
why the OS that powers pacemakers and self-driving car research gets to
be held to a lower standard.

khm
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