From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RDNS_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 768 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2020 10:20:00 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from unknown (HELO minnie.tuhs.org) (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTP; 23 Mar 2020 10:20:00 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 1BD6B9D71F; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:19:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76FC9D70C; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:19:00 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="uo+noZTv"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C22699D70C; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:18:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f179.google.com (mail-oi1-f179.google.com [209.85.167.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E7FF9BD9B for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:18:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f179.google.com with SMTP id p125so14161532oif.10 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 03:18:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wCPvbUL+oqGZdnbMFFrP8POS8AhYfqEaxAP9jDp6DT4=; b=uo+noZTvMOksVJ3VNmmUNPlQW5IMx1LS3G1A7uEUL8CvdIHnfGSn1iawTtfXenKWae TqNWIDy78SDvT+1jtMxysftq8NIVP3zeg5v3VtpjHtjuHb1EK138VnZ/EjmcxqU5VSVa vZVoZM8IR/H7xRqG0SiosHZ21ScR3wO3ECNtieJMi/dt710Bir2SPikA/bGeN1eJ1P9C eh+0W0IjuuE5FN58Ss26q3qYFQfqW/plx6TI/0RLTYxd6oP2SQiEWkS5hVdcg7rT6I7k fqS+u578I5PT80KMPMRKczxXyw7OcKtsAV17lieQTqSBDXp50ImIA4i9kCk4UMyCIeug 2koQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wCPvbUL+oqGZdnbMFFrP8POS8AhYfqEaxAP9jDp6DT4=; b=hAOLXmxoek3rKAQsq8hfu0pil5Om+f2iPPuwBFhYNycuLstR9haYLG0gQm1RGpy89x 6+iAiULo3WqL9yji4Tb8HqCoJghtV9C/mHJ9Vaa1bRCJPzpSokUBhwEZLQt4/0hV9Y5m epwDZIHtdQfuueuFvNaVr5gw8NAv2JeOgO/Fr+4k22R2GgmK3AaPEOussE6ZMA2LBdba v/wpV+B42GwV/iAXCYZm+PiAOcnzrNuWWRQZdNZtjjdGF7OLFRz/M2jpnUjEyQ0oqVk1 5SAta/AoUV6nvsXyXvJPlrQV15aXbfPSaMg1I0f6tJHjWJRKHRJgEdSI/yiKx1SjBr4y TtJA== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ0SYwhHTpnC9kimkEnplD1LazjO5XWwby7ba3rMPgdhMK803SdI aTcXYqWEeTe0q/Da2qcY6NEPkDzLI4lGUsQ8/oX2DmAG X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vu/SYQATvpLhovsLEVpzaIpcB36FL/CnFx1BUZwKVn3JDZ5j3x4QHefi4yMMQwXhCns24jimbDVnDw+UfAWPtU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:bc86:: with SMTP id m128mr16739035oif.11.1584958736193; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 03:18:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ed Bradford Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 05:18:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: TUHS main list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000745c6605a182f6b1" Subject: [TUHS] Question: stdio - Who invented and ... X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000745c6605a182f6b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I've forgotten who created stdio, USG or the research group. Can any of the youthful BTL folks of the 1970's refresh my mind. Given that stdio was invented and, in my opinion at the time, a reasonable and usable standard interface to IO on Unix, I am curious why no standard for networking was developed or proposed and discussed. Sockets just defined a new and very quirky IO interface for Unix based systems. Was any thought given to defining networking using the creat/open/read/write/close/mknod/link/unlink/chmod/chown model of IO in UNIX? Ed Bradford -- Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. Cicero --000000000000745c6605a182f6b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Given that stdio was invented and, in my opinion at the time, a re= asonable and usable standard interface to IO on Unix, I am curious why no s= tandard for networking was developed or proposed and discussed. Sockets jus= t defined a new and very quirky IO interface for Unix based systems.
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Was any thought given to defining networking
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model of IO in UNIX?=

Ed Bradford

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=C2=A0 Cicero

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