From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22049 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2021 02:31:17 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Apr 2021 02:31:17 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B795A9C7AE; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:31:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32E39C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:30:46 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="M72IOfsx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 681879C723; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:30:44 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D03689C722 for ; Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:30:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id q3so17200065qkq.12 for ; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:30:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=l9iAkDaHRe53oekOrVFoBbJDpquMQDrRAT8SZ4F0uvo=; b=M72IOfsxykRetqLTutrDzyv3EC3IXixGB5duHQI5PmCmI5J7CAkGelfBmuuENFrYOg VmuI6OZKscZgYJCIdEQsTt/L2Zbkv5ly1mAM6pQAcgXeMi4VuXel4v14RV5voUSHzePy WlPHTF1tQYoNARIiWwm1EnlwnFWyFBYD5VmxwNf/29rLLoqO47Ihm9QmCcpTmkxiEpNQ IHg6xHRAfFx/eIP3W6aZYGuiYpAzTAaNmz93doMX+O3yX4QCS3m/1gkSHHv/Vn+kKd37 QRCf0O7j422616xvGYizpc3ObJLZY5QGIFDThO3aUrFXd5hwCTjYrUrzcG//FhtXi7Ra JTbw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=l9iAkDaHRe53oekOrVFoBbJDpquMQDrRAT8SZ4F0uvo=; b=P6bkb7cZxqe1q+zJ/iei0Wt/Jk26wa8zjErU9mMmcqXZYLKk3G1VJtOntGKJJkPkno idSZhEw8IHxmI3+9a/5ZXOXfADjaiXRkUtd5ZV6tpDW9zkRx7nAplnWVgtw0BtRj/bi1 ZfmJfRSdN6lpmIZeccFVCJ6vDc9ibxDBl3rJrZS07nuKRIMrK9WTB7m9mGIqzGzzIKy5 T3j4Y7C37ZKhWoTUgyfs1rYsNITXqHwgMR/vSZyEwsJbmQUUIDlmTxFKaKxlqUg//ZN8 dqGobSIW3HZ2EQX4s2Ai4fF7r3tlUPuQN5b2NM0EZp23/lyLeoZaWGS2tzSX0ytr/+2Y zCrA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5339lfTik1F5jipNUwrG+/MJZPIoaqOdvPGDUSS+spdNP/fWgqmd PQN2JXpJInYH1M4UwR00nbdeJOE141TTQdd1HNc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrL0+V/d/sZnj5e9pBWUxhOeg4Ir9Fny9nQL9p9K0j+BGcWQFmat4bTFh2Y/K7GoVuyFaHHS4UKovzZaMBzH0= X-Received: by 2002:a37:46d5:: with SMTP id t204mr969421qka.211.1617762643033; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 19:30:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <04e60d98-22e3-acb5-686f-93af1f7e2825@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: <04e60d98-22e3-acb5-686f-93af1f7e2825@technologists.com> From: Ed Bradford Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:30:28 -0500 Message-ID: To: Charles H Sauer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ab425105bf58b78f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ab425105bf58b78f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What year was this, Charles? Ed On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM Charles H Sauer wrote: > For much of my last few years at IBM, my uucp machine, ibmchs, was an AT > running Xenix, probably that version of Xenix. > > On 4/6/2021 12:09 PM, Clem Cole wrote: > > Doug -- IIRC IBM private-labeled a Microsoft put out a version of Xenix= , > > although I think it required an PC/AT (286) > > =E1=90=A7 > > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:36 AM M Douglas McIlroy > > > > wrote: > > > > > I wonder. IBM introduced the IBM PC in August of 1981. > > > That was years after a non-memory managed version of > > > Unix was created by Heinze Lycklama, LSX. Is anyone > > > on this list familiar with Bell Labs management thoughts > > > on selling IBM on LSX rather than "dos"? > > > > IBM famously failed to buy the well-established CP/M in > > 1980. (CP/M had been introduced in 1974, before the > > advent of the LSI-11 on which LSX ran.) By then IBM had > > settled on Basic and Intel. I do not believe they ever > > considered Unix and DEC, nor that AT&T considered > > selling to IBM. (AT&T had--fortunately--long since been > > rebuffed in an attempt to sell to DEC.) > > > > Doug > > > > -- > voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com > fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter > : > CharlesHSauer > --=20 Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. Cicero --000000000000ab425105bf58b78f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What year was this, Charles?

Ed


On Tue, Apr = 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM Charles H Sauer <sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
For much of my last few years at IBM, my u= ucp machine, ibmchs, was an AT
running Xenix, probably that version of Xenix.

On 4/6/2021 12:09 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
> Doug -- IIRC IBM private-labeled a Microsoft put out a version of Xeni= x,
> although I think it required an PC/AT (286)
> =E1=90=A7
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:36 AM M Douglas McIlroy
> <m.douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu
> <mailto:m.douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > I wonder. IBM introduced the IBM PC in August= of 1981.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > That was years after a non-memory managed ver= sion of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Unix was created by Heinze Lycklama,=C2=A0 LS= X. Is anyone
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > on this list familiar with Bell Labs manageme= nt thoughts
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > on=C2=A0 selling IBM on LSX rather than "= ;dos"?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IBM famously failed to buy the well-established CP/= M in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01980. (CP/M had been introduced in 1974, before the=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0advent of the LSI-11 on which LSX ran.) By then IBM= had
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0settled on Basic and Intel.=C2=A0 I do not believe = they ever
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0considered Unix and DEC, nor that AT&T consider= ed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0selling to IBM. (AT&T had--fortunately--long si= nce been
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rebuffed in an attempt to sell to DEC.)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Doug
>

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