From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1231 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2021 05:57:39 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Apr 2021 05:57:39 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B99E69CA80; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:57:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0645E9C723; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:57:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="CZgPQ5Dj"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 313DD9C723; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:56:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com (mail-qt1-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A18729C722 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:56:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id c6so599288qtc.1 for ; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:56:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=B3Vlcmnxhr1uQRqXvamG28mcKkd7qFjFfJE+hVSWU1I=; b=CZgPQ5DjiGGQHnWX9ScMeWyfmqKEri47TamuFbAcNEtcAQfyBogfdjqEWSUE8rdD5H mnJg3Gw8O49hAiF9qSZuXwNKfJ2t6+gGp/YLtOZzzWv3M1FzeeK98tzo+3qS/VoDKge6 gK/e4Lkc/Kny9oL+VP2NxCt0vOtlODRAtSMHeGQSYSqC0JTWU5o66yryigTEpPV9A/bk sO4KJjO9y6c2qt27sU7kq11Q93SSNU0NEOmu6IqO8IGTQUWVj0SeV30GM8QjsJTbI6mX s0kwHOj3fHuAgHCwZVHWgc7CMJ5gyErCiwSYcYr3dhnzfSs+a3KuaisyTCmx8AOuiHrS hQKg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B3Vlcmnxhr1uQRqXvamG28mcKkd7qFjFfJE+hVSWU1I=; b=V+qOQHcYKbyfOj/nWuxxke+z4FnLiWnY3cN4bsi2Q+IoB+xkEa5FK5Cn/H2i2GtDh5 jBH0+GJQJ042pd9atFJCiHsn205UuwsalKF8jvHxFpfHiBrnzvDG5/MUdrSPyvdp+W/M X8KrgDK6gWWppCobWD03CfPngbwdrAuQ6ifAUvBnJwkZBOZqXtX1yQi9QWKpEdgn1QdW wkc1c5IlAzvCQEL4kmA1hHAkShqpinxxq9r7PMOLAgezqFngSBSte7JaY0J+1MiwzHTh QIYCJgv6vOjZqeMRZKPXzZ35MfpR5hvX7qJVTMFiEfbYKpCw5mOeIEhiZJzL56daIc38 oHLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531igD7nOxmJ+9bsy5MqXFkn1R9/fhP7jifBYMEo6gMPLjd8Qy1f 42kPZPI71BghaiRenYelUiIfE7iIF0w64LHEriqc53+XUm/Uyg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw67pvm2vbiPfhTbvh6qtFCkirtTU5tjE4xJOtl65saFhSt9m7+R8ju0tqBZvpsDNW0rgUbN9ewn0gia7+XcyM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:15cb:: with SMTP id d11mr6104597qty.230.1617861408861; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 22:56:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Bradford Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:56:35 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan Stromberg Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009230a405bf6fb621" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Story about Microsoft and *ix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009230a405bf6fb621 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In the early 80's it was Bill Gates who made strategic decisions for MS. That was even before they went public. My wonder is if Gates had ever used Unix. He (personally) developed BASIC for a CPM (I think) machine. I am unaware of any system level skills in his experience. If he had knowledge of or used Unix or XENIX (for which he had a master license from AT&T), why on earth would anyone go down the bazaar path of DOS with lettered drives, tortuous IO interfaces, and assembly language source code? Why didn't he choose a far simpler to support and easier to learn operating system that had 10 years of maturity. I would love to hear Bill Gates' description of the development of a DOS over Unix strategy. My guess is there wasn't enough memory on the first IBM PC's. I worked with LSX while at BTL and forget the memory footprint of LSX. Memory protection was another thing, but LSX looked and felt like UNIX without memory protection. Does anyone recall how much RAM memory could be put on the first IBM PC's? That was probably a major problem. My memory of the LSI-11 architecture has faded. Same for 20286. In the early 1980's I had never heard of Xenix. Ed On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:22 AM Dan Stromberg wrote: > > I heard a while back, that the reason that Microsoft has avoided *ix so > meticulously, was that back when they sold Xenix to SCO, as part of the > deal Microsoft signed a noncompete agreement that prevented them from > selling anything at all similar to *ix. > > True? > > -- Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. Cicero --0000000000009230a405bf6fb621 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the early 80&= #39;s it was Bill Gates who made strategic decisions for MS. That was even = before they went public. My wonder is if Gates had ever used Unix. He (persona= lly) developed=C2=A0= BASIC for a CPM (I think) machine. I am unaware of any system level ski= lls in his experience. If he had knowledge of or used Unix or XENIX (for wh= ich he had a master license from AT&T), why on earth would anyone go do= wn=C2=A0the bazaar p= ath of DOS with lettered drives, tortuous IO interfaces, and assembly langu= age= source code? Why didn't he choose=C2=A0a far simpler to support= and easier to learn=C2=A0operating system that=C2=A0had 10 years of maturity<= /span>. I would love to hear Bill Gates' description of the develop= ment of a DOS over Unix strategy.

My guess i= s there wasn't enough memory on the first IBM PC's. I worked with L= SX while at BTL and forget the memory footprint of LSX. Memory protection w= as another thing, but LSX looked and felt like UNIX without memory protecti= on. Does anyone recall how much RAM memory could be put on the first IBM PC= 's? That was probably a major problem.

My memory of the LSI-11 a= rchitecture has faded. Same for 20286. In the early 1980's I had never = heard of Xenix.

Ed

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 12:22 AM Dan= Stromberg <drsalists@gmail.com> wrote:

I heard a while back, that the reason th= at Microsoft has avoided *ix so meticulously, was that back when they sold = Xenix to SCO, as part of the deal Microsoft signed a noncompete agreement t= hat prevented them from selling anything at all similar to *ix.
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True?



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Advice is judged by results, not by in= tentions.
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