From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31554 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2021 03:34:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Apr 2021 03:34:05 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3382B93DBD; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 13:34:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 531CE93D6B; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 13:33:43 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="ez1QiQ8r"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6115593D6B; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 13:33:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f170.google.com (mail-qk1-f170.google.com [209.85.222.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C83B93D69 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 13:33:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f170.google.com with SMTP id g15so7968528qkl.4 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 20:33:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6SQ7LgU13GcpcCMG+wVP4gcevnyUSK4t9qil4QzDqJY=; b=ez1QiQ8rzSmrQNsgAXM+DWn1mXQT9LITBkczWZnYz/hr1G96d+6XylPAHnMmxhpKEE N7yXbpvO1bPBJZtYogsVnlNHP8LJiepgWB8kuYqmT7OZTrS3Dor4ivsVHGLJlcEnyyxA Kq3o5buGlKJKCpjYPeVBPAHCz2/PlE7XXKIPoyvOfLyT6AFVbYsoqzSP+EyQsEhEJT04 PLDcTo+iH5sb5jeGBl2gOZG7C12yC6w0vYnfGbqLRzVu/sOcts8Re6O6ZmN+cQ3WLK3R NHODiFqpSnv03Xr1KJjpdy7pstHDEFMzXPEONVwmR8LkZrx+sNSX7Psb6EVnbv5OPLJ6 C3QA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6SQ7LgU13GcpcCMG+wVP4gcevnyUSK4t9qil4QzDqJY=; b=hl5Y3dmxnVRkgvFQuBiy4dr0vINPYmigNCcdOzHxUccl4WUNHAy1S7fxbdA88D24Lm neeq12pELauKv1sgns5DnqithoycQ/Ua2eCdJresuh9DDGIEPffYoic85f0ccDWcw92O kq+aOWim3aCAzS2o9u6xi66nDCs60jzT80XeOkAnqcAQUaYjoQ/HoJQhN4B+5I+dNLZW pI3ENL79EyQXYayAx4t5WRmsA9TvkAocL/WVEG6AyMjD7mHWYvQpd9+s0gR2EWf++2ny F4Ha16X/Y7iW/eUtRSLKqJ46IjxlDUsdaQ7xgrQiqzlohLimFznv2J5+Xrp+s+8IbJZ/ LTzw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532sDpezkI9iGvjJDM43+hRjuV069WR6IZAveods7Nl8uTt8LIlw +3vFE6WNGKX6Gi1DuQEXzAybvW2jTiLGo0rh8kQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvJJHUkq6jgRtmhiOQhv4LvHdUaaSjc6GyPI8VVkE2Vp0iX0LFm/GWMB7sMbG2iqjw53o85cNHeskffVAM4n8= X-Received: by 2002:a37:46d5:: with SMTP id t204mr16635005qka.211.1618025617228; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 20:33:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Bradford Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 22:33:24 -0500 Message-ID: To: Michael Parson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000027075c05bf95f24a" Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000027075c05bf95f24a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The Kildall biography video is WAYYYYY informative. THANK YOU!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVqBokd3l2E Why did a Ph.D., an academic, and a computer scientist not know about UNIX in 1974 or so? 1976? In 1976, some (many?) universities had source code. I had an account ("egb") on ucbunix (University of California, Berkeley) in 1978 or so. I was one of the initial "customers" of Bill Joy's "vi". We really need to add Bill Joy to this community. He has a LOT to add to the history of UNIX -- especially from the view from UCB folks. Where is Bill Joy today? Of all the folks I've ever met, Bill Joy is the only one who, had he joined BTL 127, would have had major contributions. He didn't. He went the route of being a founding person with Sun Microsystems. I would have done the same. Bill Joy, where are you? On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 4:32 PM Michael Parson wrote: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:41:21 > > From: Dave Horsfall > > To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > > Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conference > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, M Douglas McIlroy wrote: > > > >> IBM famously failed to buy the well-established CP/M in 1980. (CP/M had > >> been introduced in 1974, before the advent of the LSI-11 on which LSX > ran.) > >> [...] > > > > And unlike the popular urban myth, Gary Kildall was not out playing golf > when > > IBM tried to contact him. > > Gary Killdall was a host on PBS' "The Computer Chronicles" and they did > a story on him after his death that covers this, as well as other info > on his life and work with DRI. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVqBokd3l2E > > -- > Michael Parson > Pflugerville, TX > -- Advice is judged by results, not by intentions. 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The Kildall biography video is WAYYYYY inform= ative. THANK YOU!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOVqBokd3l2E

Why did = a Ph.D., an academic, and a computer scientist not know about UNIX in 1974 = or so? 1976? In 1976, some (many?) universities had source code. I had an a= ccount ("egb") on=C2=A0=C2=A0ucbunix=C2=A0(University of Californ= ia, Berkeley) in 1978 or so. I was one of the initial "customers"= of Bill Joy's "vi".

We really=C2=A0need to add Bill J= oy to this community. He has a LOT to add to
the history of UNIX -- especi= ally from the view from UCB folks.

Where is Bill Joy today? Of all t= he folks I've ever met, Bill Joy is the only one who, had he joined BTL= 127, would have had major contributions. He didn't. He went the route= =C2=A0of being a founding person with Sun Microsystems. I would have done t= he same.

Bill Joy, where are you?

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at = 4:32 PM Michael Parson <mparson@bl.org= > wrote:
= On Wed, 7 Apr 2021, Dave Horsfall wrote:

> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:41:21
> From: Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>
> To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix (had been How to Kill a Technical Conferen= ce
>
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, M Douglas McIlroy wrote:
>
>> IBM famously failed to buy the well-established CP/M in 1980. (CP/= M had
>> been introduced in 1974, before the advent of the LSI-11 on which = LSX ran.)
>> [...]
>
> And unlike the popular urban myth, Gary Kildall was not out playing go= lf when
> IBM tried to contact him.

Gary Killdall was a host on PBS' "The Computer Chronicles" an= d they did
a story on him after his death that covers this, as well as other info
on his life and work with DRI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DOVqBokd3l2E

--
Michael Parson
Pflugerville, TX


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=
Advice is judged by results, not by in= tentions.
=C2=A0 Cicero

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