From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ad125904 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D0EDFA203C; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D62594A2F; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9515394A2F; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f46.google.com (mail-wr1-f46.google.com [209.85.221.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4E6B94129 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:23:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f46.google.com with SMTP id d2-v6so7475216wro.7 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:23:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=vHVbkWYIXUr+LMw7AJcKy8eadLfs+WM4nFin4saJUjc=; b=n4dtVfGR2RejO9Io6Hj45qlhOFjcqx033mfB45FTPZeFxz2O1TeRjaGYdjcHX2wexJ oUEh1yKJF6mtODaA3cybFZxQp3vdicTK9trInguAtSLZ+T1p92s6u20W+yxqwYudxdQZ 7pXqKp0W7AJ9kaJYVZRLtmyuFfGyORzP1QrGeN2MONjx+g69FSpuUqenNv1NSVZjbskx Wdf0EmRQn4AFpdS56SfvtBmI8p/qe1heMxvOghU+dCuxWc3YU86Aje4yIgT62zBuCIct /rEOxMdrPlISsQuhID44ZBJjnALHyV50/mhfGxOc1qGBSwVN6dmUPubQaJlbnpZPoD88 06jw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=vHVbkWYIXUr+LMw7AJcKy8eadLfs+WM4nFin4saJUjc=; b=D0abYO1S4ujY45OOtW7m9fNzcbSeLtqxCUQAO0DNmuY0eQkF/QEOP6VeB54Bmwm+NV TOi7E50zRhXOxjsBsCMsm3dmrwbBMnlijPfPQDF+qWhruj8MajZwm0XrGL7pyVE9NOzl utaplRsNMNjvuUDLhkG+cbDV9Nxay+yRCfpLwbKYNaunvwsG2CWd+DhcDHcDownV+8TS X9ecCX2jUflUVVAieMieXbEJviCIOWG2+wkUjc1SqvjlX42hmSLjQMkBbyRNLUdb8AnL x+9Hd1DTJu1OhmIkRthZ5t7hj75sfAa5rI82ay+c2+gwlIrORjs6Q9MeD6/mhnUroblh //tw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKuaOvhgLIu191RdR9yDpBqViC6QkYw8YTq1TvSgaM+X+P1tjW9 VpF/z5EOsKe/JEwhybzYTGcx4VL74ojigX65xmg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5d+2H1oG4oqhdDJCx21CC+psb/ujEyAVImOycyDpNhNksX+L5p9Mqh1fc5eE7U7kGKH5MlBXGxq8uqb54ik5nE= X-Received: by 2002:adf:d181:: with SMTP id h1-v6mr2011633wri.138.1540430582336; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:23:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <34E96877-0DFF-4988-B07D-C0EFA42482C5@ccc.com> In-Reply-To: <34E96877-0DFF-4988-B07D-C0EFA42482C5@ccc.com> From: Jacob Ritorto Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:22:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a94f9b057903711d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] System III on 11/34 + rl02 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a94f9b057903711d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I did run 2.9bsd on this machine and I like it better, but the distro struggles to fit on (4) rl02s and then can't recompile itself due to lack of space. The System III idea is kind of homage to my Solaris years and for bragging rights to my teenage friends who know nothing but Linux (and I kinda feel (as a stretch) like Linux is in the System III line). That said, I'd was originally going for System V, but when I recompiled it under the emulator, I found out that it requires separate I&D, so the 11/34 is out; System III is next closest. Eventually I'll be doing this same exercise on mt split 11/45 and then have some serious bragging rights :) I sure hope there's a pdp11 sdcard / usb disk solution someday like they did for the Commodore 64 - I could even pay a little for it. And for some clever kernel optimizing hack that'll let me run a tcp/ip stack on my poor little-address-space 11/45 so I can telnet to it with 2.11bsd. I'm totally in the market for an Able Enable board too! Out of curiosity, is it totally out of the question to just find the prints and do a production run? I mean if we got 100 people in at a hundred each, wouldn't that cover it? There's enough interest in vintage now that that headcount could realistically happen. On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM Clem cole wrote: > Should be pretty easy particularly since the rl0x is supported in the BSD > environment > > That said why mess with PWB 3.0 on an 11? BSD 2.9 will be more > interesting. Also if you have a 40 class system like the 34 of 34A see if > you can find an Able Enable board. The memory will make a huge difference. > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not > quite. > > > On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Jacob Ritorto > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > Was wanting to put together a fully functional (meaning able to load > the whole distro and recompile itself) and "reliable" System III machine > made of real, albeit not terribly sexy parts. I have (4) working rl02 > drives and an 11/34, so I feel like there's a chance it could work. I'll > have to build it on the emulator, of course, then vtserver it over to the > real hw in chunks. > > > > But the blocker is that System III only supports rl01, not rl02, which > kills the 'full distro' prospect. > > > > Would anyone know if it's trivial to modify the source for the rl01 > driver to just add double the blocks, thereby supporting rl02? Or am I > wildly underestimating the task at hand? Has this been done before? Tips? > > > > thx > > jake > --000000000000a94f9b057903711d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did run 2.9bsd on this machine and I like it better, but= the distro struggles to fit on (4) rl02s and then can't recompile itse= lf due to lack of space.

The System III idea is kind of homage to m= y Solaris years and for bragging rights to my teenage friends who know noth= ing but Linux (and I kinda feel (as a stretch) like Linux is in the System = III line).=C2=A0 That said, I'd was originally going for System V, but = when I recompiled it under the emulator, I found out that it requires separ= ate I&D, so the 11/34 is out; System III is next closest.=C2=A0 Eventua= lly I'll be doing this same exercise on mt split 11/45 and then have so= me serious bragging rights :)

I sure hope there= 9;s a pdp11 sdcard / usb disk solution someday like they did for the Commod= ore 64 - I could even pay a little for it.=C2=A0 And for some clever kernel= optimizing hack that'll let me run a tcp/ip stack on my poor little-ad= dress-space 11/45 so I can telnet to it with 2.11bsd.

I'm totally in the market for an Able Enable board too!=C2=A0 O= ut of curiosity, is it totally out of the question to just find the prints = and do a production run?=C2=A0 I mean if we got 100 people in at a hundred = each, wouldn't that cover it?=C2=A0 There's enough interest in vint= age now that that headcount could realistically happen.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:21 PM Cl= em cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
Should be pretty easy particularly s= ince the rl0x is supported in the BSD environment

That said why mess with PWB 3.0 on an 11?=C2=A0 =C2=A0BSD 2.9 will be more = interesting.=C2=A0 Also if you have a 40 class system like the 34 of 34A se= e if you can find an Able Enable board.=C2=A0 The memory will make a huge d= ifference.

Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite= .

> On Oct 23, 2018, at 10:59 PM, Jacob Ritorto <jacob.ritorto@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>
> Hi,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0Was wanting to put together a fully functional (meaning ab= le to load the whole distro and recompile itself) and "reliable" = System III machine made of real, albeit not terribly sexy parts.=C2=A0 I ha= ve (4) working rl02 drives and an 11/34, so I feel like there's a chanc= e it could work.=C2=A0 I'll have to build it on the emulator, of course= , then vtserver it over to the real hw in chunks.=C2=A0
>
> But the blocker is that System III only supports rl01, not rl02, which= kills the 'full distro' prospect.
>
> Would anyone know if it's trivial to modify the source for the rl0= 1 driver to just add double the blocks, thereby supporting rl02?=C2=A0 Or a= m I wildly underestimating the task at hand?=C2=A0 Has this been done befor= e?=C2=A0 Tips?
>
> thx
> jake
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