From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28074 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2023 17:04:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Dec 2023 17:04:01 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5CA43EC2; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:36:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-x131.google.com (mail-il1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D7043EC1 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 10:35:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-x131.google.com with SMTP id e9e14a558f8ab-35d77fb7d94so15528465ab.0 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:35:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702859758; x=1703464558; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qVuJOIE3Opi0FmR8mrB+EJHDRGdD7aV9ls4vFWwrZTE=; b=F9AFHWENLQDw557ArPl6XBJ3RbrLdNXQpGuiuNIQwSs2lak028U/i5k2rYjgxgGqWI usoI8h858jusUPGq5sqWbbzzQr7tLWE7IK8fPvN5aa05p2XAHcR1LqQF1B+i/nvqwazg Lq7ZO0yTtRRLWh2OadcdG624jJ9+IxaatT06WClcMwNblDK2kr81sxpdk+6teLnumAn/ OT6Y6jo2Fgqc5i5+xdc5SeiK3gwhxAj2kqqQ0T+Bk9FVvDcMwNT9H6pD16/tgxRMJ6lu PHlbf3zbMGvxniU74R+OYffIXUeWvfhmWTiP3j8PRCw6ftyVnNODL7QHhD10NHzzjINt hwjQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702859758; x=1703464558; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=qVuJOIE3Opi0FmR8mrB+EJHDRGdD7aV9ls4vFWwrZTE=; b=fpZeYPaPgnKS/UUpIWWqxqdvZI6iTi7B6DMat94V5FJXj2vZ7TP1AOrLTbkVLSmkEC cbpmoBUUMJCAVJzlXdauI92D8xTriof0wZAvyu2tVSPWTQ/wpnN4dZ+/dcWPo0Dy+7ra vMNkAAptefunUmz+t7NBTcAYtw1nrp7FpBR/9f+iow3WpSgeL9FWbLwYM03ZkMDl6ob9 dxem+ayZxIWJzU8SsMh7zDuRLz2EThr5wrVM4LpfyIFIEkLuHWy26c6qYgCh6B30zwtr 5AeiLM0q735txOHXXK6no/3V/4Va9tCM4R68tXl+Au8zUeNgyjGXG4WMEB1hTZAvybE7 +SdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyqwJHxQQxqjLpgMgTACQbIZ7Ld4P91GoSn8X5OhDVmy5EVcXia x8UQemrbXZGuXmzNePSRpMFiDFIFB25pdYhQHB0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGtinpV3aHw4H6zKO0eiQeM4UqfCX8ZCnPqKNwS+FqIOxSdLc7u1clHMXuzKOUMtbzYrRGHSZiJKjjYThsJ/dA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:240c:b0:35f:99a1:43f2 with SMTP id bs12-20020a056e02240c00b0035f99a143f2mr8893219ilb.38.1702859757807; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:35:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <93ef58b9-b058-4463-b0e6-d2f2f2bf5a55@loomcom.com> <76f6ae7e-20e1-41fa-9fe4-cc22015411bf@mhorton.net> In-Reply-To: From: KenUnix Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 19:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000f89c4c060cbdee1b" Message-ID-Hash: OUV7UCIBES3Z5AO3DP2F3GIHGUURTN5B X-Message-ID-Hash: OUV7UCIBES3Z5AO3DP2F3GIHGUURTN5B X-MailFrom: ken.unix.guy@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000f89c4c060cbdee1b Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f89c4b060cbdee19" --000000000000f89c4b060cbdee19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is what I ended up doing. Creating a putty session with locked size. Aso using the vi as designed it works well. I have included the putty.defs, putty.notes and vi.notes. Now everything is fine. Thanks for your help. See attachments Getting System-V-r2-VAX780: For those running Arch the tar file is here. Simply download, untar cd to it , type in ./unix https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XToKXIxZvs9LKNerkVbTNspMik7OnLrs/view?usp= =3Ddrive_link For other 64 bit Unix's use this image https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-M8dGXogDpKutR0fpSkOkaEfNNH-1SZ/view?usp= =3Ddrive_link Getting System-V-r3-3b2-700 64bit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/16zJrq3USLFAVnoGtbh4GCIj685o_UQER/view?usp= =3Ddrive_link The above packages do not require any special software. It is all self contained. -ken On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 6:08=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 4:00=E2=80=AFPM Ron Natalie wr= ote: > >> That=E2=80=99s not entirely true. The VT100 could switch modes from 80= x24 to >> 132x14 (the latter was pretty ugly) or with the AVO 132x24. >> > > I recall some VMS programs in v3.2 misbehaving when run in 132x24 mode... > > Warner > > ------ Original Message ------ >> From "Mary Ann Horton" >> To tuhs@tuhs.org >> Date 12/17/23, 5:51:00=E2=80=AFPM >> Subject [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question >> >> The concept of a resizable window didn't appear until GUI interfaces. >> Originally the hardware terminal had one specific size and vi depended o= n >> the screen being that exact size. I suspect that SVr2 was in that catego= ry, >> as the Sun merger of SVr4 would have been the reason to incorporate it. = So >> try a 24x80 window and see if it behaves. >> >> >> --=20 End of line JOB TERMINATED --000000000000f89c4b060cbdee19 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is what I ended up doing. Creatin= g a putty session with locked size. Aso
using the vi as designed = it works well. I have included the putty.defs, putty.notes
and vi= .notes.

Now everything is fine. Thanks for your he= lp.

See attachments

Getti= ng System-V-r2-VAX780:

For those running Arch the = tar file is here. Simply download, untar
cd to it , type in ./uni= x

<= div>
For other 64 bit Unix's use this image

<= div>Getting System-V-r3-3b2-700 64bit:


The above packages= do not require any special software. It is all self contained.

-ken


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 6:08= =E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.co= m> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 4:00=E2=80=AFPM Ron Natalie <= ;ron@ronnatalie.com= > wrote:
=20 =20
That=E2=80=99s not entirely true. =C2=A0 The VT100 could switch= modes from 80x24 to 132x14 (the latter was pretty ugly) or with the AVO 13= 2x24.

I recall some VMS programs in v3.2 misbehaving when run in 132= x24 mode...

Warner
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------ Original Message ------
From "Mary Ann Horton" <mah@mhorton.net>
Date 12/17/23, 5:51:00=E2=80=AFPM
Subject [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question

The concept of a resizable window didn't appear until GUI interfaces. Originally the hardware terminal had one specific size and vi depended on the screen being that exact size. I suspect that SVr2 was in that category, as the Sun merger of SVr4 would have been the reason to incorporate it. So try a 24x80 window and see if it behaves.




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