From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 430 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2021 14:24:36 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Apr 2021 14:24:36 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DD6969BC31; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:24:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AEC9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:24:03 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="AFBySAGs"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6300C9BB66; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:24:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A31CA9BB65 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 2021 00:24:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id f12so5873132wro.0 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:24:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=sLoTwG3gNIVOWc7x19EZrdEVQtGwAVonfW3az1Ks1+Q=; b=AFBySAGsTld+4u/lDbJFlAAxlKmZHZuWe4UUeYPSXjLYoZvp0KgTjO2uyGgxWlqRYS k4kIlcaMFDThlEhekmeBqj4O0xn+ih+yUseBrWmUH0/dQZg7zRol2vJ1b8urjjXaxVk5 +WxH8S50EUp8DMsDGRG/TC8IMbvFO9/NbFWr4HoLmesRc9qOQt9WQB5RridukAWg87oP k6RmSaIIwueseopU+U91sw6jLHgn9PZJHJXsexow0GsXpvMaHPHf1ZLmDqHu4X3z4dFd DXPeTfXo0SqDHbB2YRmPuP3grRlHQQ+Q5mW4FosKll9QKn0VnEwHGkljwU311Y5mILJe BucA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=sLoTwG3gNIVOWc7x19EZrdEVQtGwAVonfW3az1Ks1+Q=; b=CdRNAAAlM/HhdgdKnCWKa+rPaWcfCeuZAdORt5FDAJdzxRHVjDq1FpyIdIYCVtBzh4 9ZFqXur5aXuvuQn7aFeomMmpfv35MHaqcq4/90jHHJKLWCbWqbLon9l/Ir/Lt8TTQTm9 REETHFmScwFIPHiYGlwBD0YpUkUUteTzv9tPraFpxIn6gHgrnknDNQnhESYLxHfMU1/m ufCVz8yeUDtz6KvKZ31r/Vp0lFlK8D5U8qAuDmKbS9PjvEvdO/QQVDHpzPB+n7TjTBrA akFhBALJqSdV0IsjX5KaXYCDrWd7xYCXieBF1Mh1FsFVHXJCrpgVCMmb+gvlFs7zyQVI dJ6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530tJRvKcnj+08aFPip1lbfo9TNfGU6ThXumVBUdaTVu+dVtvQsN wM0Z3lKVtDJxAtYRRX9B1R6pN28SMJOMmD1ulzY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzystNVfnS6OvSVFWe9xZ2jb6CC20VjcPP/YnqDkrVU8mAO1aPdLyhJJdEmt0my9bIjKyS38i+csA01SiCwvxA= X-Received: by 2002:adf:f705:: with SMTP id r5mr6960365wrp.327.1617978240408; Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0F0B9BFC06289346B88512B91E55670D3012@EXCHANGE> In-Reply-To: From: Jim Geist Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 10:23:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tom Lyon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000461e0305bf8aeaaa" Subject: Re: [TUHS] SUN (Stanford University Network) was PC Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org" Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000461e0305bf8aeaaa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Fun trivia fact, at least until the mid 90's, the Stanford University Bookstore still had SPARCstations as the machine they sold to students. On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:10 AM Tom Lyon wrote: > Prior to Sun, Andy had a company called VLSI Technology, Inc. which > licensed SUN designs to 5-10 companies, including Forward Technology and > CoData, IIRC. The SUN IPR effectively belonged to Andy, but I don't know > what kind of legal arrangement he had with Stanford. But the design was > not generally public, and relied on CAD tools only extant on the Stanford > PDP-10. Cisco did start with the SUN-1 processor, though whether they got > it from Andy or direct from Stanford is not known to me. When Cisco > started (1984), the Sun-1 was long dead already at Sun. > > After both Sun and Cisco, Stanford got serious about holding on to IPR. > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:12 PM Jason Stevens < > jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote: > >> Is there any solid info on the Stanford SUN boards? I just know the SUN-1 >> was based around them, but they aren't the same thing? And apparently >> cisco >> used them as well but 'borrowed' someone's RTOS design as the basis for >> IOS? >> There was some lawsuit and Stanford got cisco network gear for years for >> free but they couldn't take stock for some reason? >> >> I see more and more of these CP/M SBC's on ebay/online and it seems odd >> that >> there is no 'DIY' SUN boards... Or were they not all that open, hence why >> they kind of disappeared? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Steinhart >> To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org >> Sent: 4/8/21 7:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix >> >> Larry McVoy writes: >> > On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:18:04AM +0200, Thomas Paulsen wrote: >> > > >From: John Gilmore >> > > >Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC was >> created. >> > > >> > > Sun was founded on February 24, 1982. The Sun-1 was launched in May >> 1982. >> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsystems >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-1 >> > >> > John may be sort of right, I bet avb was building 68k machines at >> > Stanford before SUN was founded. Sun stood for Stanford University >> > Network I believe. >> > >> > --lm >> >> Larry is correct. I remember visiting a friend of mind, Gary Newman, >> who was working at Lucasfilm in '81. He showed me a bunch of stuff >> that they were doing on Stanford University Network boards. >> >> Full disclosure, it was Gary and Paul Rubinfeld who ended up at DEC >> and I believe was the architect for the microVax who told me about >> the explorer scout post at BTL which is how I met Heinz. >> >> Jon >> > > > -- > - Tom > --000000000000461e0305bf8aeaaa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fun trivia fact, at least until the mid 90's, the=C2= =A0Stanford University Bookstore still had SPARCstations as the machine the= y sold to students.

On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 10:10 AM Tom Lyon <pugs@ieee.org> wrote:
Prior to Sun, Andy had a company called VLS= I Technology, Inc. which licensed SUN designs to 5-10 companies, including = Forward Technology and CoData, IIRC.=C2=A0 The SUN IPR effectively belonged= to Andy, but I don't know what kind of legal arrangement=C2=A0he had w= ith Stanford.=C2=A0 =C2=A0But the design was not generally public, and reli= ed on CAD tools only extant on the Stanford PDP-10.=C2=A0 Cisco did start w= ith the SUN-1 processor, though whether they got it from Andy or direct fro= m Stanford is not known to me.=C2=A0 When Cisco started (1984), the Sun-1 w= as long dead already at Sun.

After both Sun and Cisco, Stanford got serious about holding on to IPR.=

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 10:12 PM Jason Stevens <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp= .com> wrote:
Is there any solid info on the Stanford SUN boards?=C2=A0 I just know t= he SUN-1
was based around them, but they aren't the same thing?=C2=A0 And appare= ntly cisco
used them as well but 'borrowed' someone's RTOS design as the b= asis for IOS?
There was some lawsuit and Stanford got cisco network gear for years for free but they couldn't take stock for some reason?

I see more and more of these CP/M SBC's on ebay/online and it seems odd= that
there is no 'DIY' SUN boards... Or were they not all that open, hen= ce why
they kind of disappeared?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Steinhart
To: tuhs@minnie.t= uhs.org
Sent: 4/8/21 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TUHS] PC Unix

Larry McVoy writes:
> On Thu, Apr 08, 2021 at 12:18:04AM +0200, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
> > >From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
> > >Sun was making 68000-based systems in 1981, before the IBM PC= was
created.
> >
> > Sun was founded on February 24, 1982. The Sun-1 was launched in M= ay
1982.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Microsyste= ms
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-1
>
> John may be sort of right, I bet avb was building 68k machines at
> Stanford before SUN was founded.=C2=A0 Sun stood for Stanford Universi= ty
> Network I believe.
>
> --lm

Larry is correct.=C2=A0 I remember visiting a friend of mind, Gary Newman,<= br> who was working at Lucasfilm in '81.=C2=A0 He showed me a bunch of stuf= f
that they were doing on Stanford University Network boards.

Full disclosure, it was Gary and Paul Rubinfeld who ended up at DEC
and I believe was the architect for the microVax who told me about
the explorer scout post at BTL which is how I met Heinz.

Jon


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- Tom
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