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From: Tom Perrine <tom.perrine+tuhs@gmail.com>
To: Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk
Date: Sat, 25 May 2024 10:36:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJq=PCWKE1Pdkm7527rasqrcPTKUUY0wCWuMX3nDgP=b+K07SQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABH=_VSEMhT_GJZS0rWPUytdJ_EwFCYq6y8wWV5SJT8tAYupPQ@mail.gmail.com>

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Another Gypsy user here...

For KSOS-11 the kernel was described in SPECIAL - as a set of axioms and
theorems. There was no actual connection between the formal specification
in SPECIAL and the Modula code.

Some of the critical user-space code for a trusted downgrade program, to
bridge data from higher levels of classification to lower, was written in
Gypsy. I visited UT Austin and Dr Good(?)'s team to learn it, IIRC. Gypsy
was considered better in that the specification was tied to the executable
through the pre/post conditions - and the better support for semi-automated
theorem proving.




On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 10:18 AM Paul Winalski <paul.winalski@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 8:18 PM Bakul Shah via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
>
> At one point I had suggested turning Go's Interface type to something like
>> Guttag style abstract data types in that relevant axioms are specified
>> right in the interface definition. The idea was that any concrete type that
>> implements that interface must satisfy its axioms. Even if the compiler
>> ignored these axioms, one can write a support program that can generate a
>> set of comprehensive tests based on these axioms. [Right now a type
>> "implementing" an interface only needs to have a set of methods that
>> exactly match the interface methods but nothing more] The underlying idea
>> is that each type is in essence a constraint on what values an instance of
>> that type can take. So adding such axioms simply tightens (& documents)
>> these constraints. Just the process of coming up with such axioms can
>> improve the design (sor of like test driven design but better!).
>>
>
> At one point I worked with a programming language called Gypsy that
> implemented this concept.  Each routine had a prefix that specified axioms
> on the routine's parameters and outputs.  The rest of Gypsy was a
> conventional procedural language but the semantics were carefully chosen to
> allow for automated proof of correctness.  I wrote a formal specification
> for the DECnet session layer protocol (DECnet's equivalent of TCP) in
> Gypsy.  I turned up a subtle bug in the prose version of the protocol
> specification in the process.
>
> -Paul W.
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-25 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-23 13:49 Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-23 20:52 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24  5:41   ` andrew
2024-05-24  7:17   ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-24  7:41     ` Rob Pike
2024-05-24 10:00       ` [TUHS] Is fuzz testing random? (Was: A fuzzy awk) Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-24 11:56     ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Dan Halbert
2024-05-25  0:17   ` Bakul Shah via TUHS
2024-05-25  0:57     ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-05-25 13:56     ` David Arnold
2024-05-25 17:18     ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-25 17:36       ` Tom Perrine [this message]
2024-05-25 17:53         ` [TUHS] Prof Don Good [was " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2024-05-27  9:39 ` [TUHS] Testing an RE recogniser exhaustively. (Was: A fuzzy awk) Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-27 13:03   ` [TUHS] " Hellwig Geisse
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-05-20 14:09 [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Serissa
2024-05-21  1:56 ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21  2:47   ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-21  2:54     ` Lawrence Stewart
2024-05-21  3:36       ` Rob Pike
2024-05-21 11:59         ` Peter Weinberger (温博格) via TUHS
2024-05-21  3:53   ` George Michaelson
2024-05-21 16:59   ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-21 17:56     ` segaloco via TUHS
2024-05-21 18:12     ` Luther Johnson
2024-05-22 15:37       ` Paul Winalski
2024-05-22 18:49         ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22 20:17           ` Larry McVoy
2024-05-22  3:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2024-05-22  5:08       ` Alexis
2024-05-22 13:12         ` Warner Losh
2024-05-20 13:06 [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20 13:25 ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:41   ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 14:26     ` Chet Ramey
2024-05-22 13:44     ` arnold
2024-05-20 13:54 ` Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-19 23:08 [TUHS] The 'usage: ...' message. (Was: On Bloat...) Douglas McIlroy
2024-05-20  0:58 ` [TUHS] " Rob Pike
2024-05-20  3:19   ` arnold
2024-05-20  9:20     ` [TUHS] A fuzzy awk. (Was: The 'usage: ...' message.) Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 13:10       ` [TUHS] " Chet Ramey
2024-05-20 13:30         ` [TUHS] Re: A fuzzy awk Ralph Corderoy
2024-05-20 13:48           ` Chet Ramey

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