From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23238 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2021 22:47:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Feb 2021 22:47:50 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EA0E19C82E; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:47:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1F9BA45; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:47:31 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="fafiSvjK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CE14A9BA45; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:47:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f173.google.com (mail-vk1-f173.google.com [209.85.221.173]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 462C69BA3F for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:47:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id q140so2345124vkb.1 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:47:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=UqsID2mcEzr6+yjezKp3OtbD+rV/LxGNyzSq6Ki0vOA=; b=fafiSvjKZh6WDm8P/+WTZ2q8iokdvRnXBM0NT14ZfbSZDs3rjTVgJGYeGeZPXJTNxA RczewNmg+hPM7qMRVrwRkrkMVcOytOKJshYlkKqu+kCpi74z7VmEBNu0jTLCDaBC5TiM wwH4OevoYIn7K3iz4BaHBlSedr3k6rj1KANs8u60im9/s3v6AM/2X6V1Zc2+x7pDhasj 7Y2NxUSEc/rcA2SOyyH7Xw8Fj2/0hOnPkxZB5Sstm2NtTlDZd4XyIHLLMnx6bx5hhz+0 nv1Ap/xLoFsXosPutvyz/NlTyZKOLaZ8zXnEB42Mos72snwuIu3UdGnsdizaXwNU+6SP 1KdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=UqsID2mcEzr6+yjezKp3OtbD+rV/LxGNyzSq6Ki0vOA=; b=nYWuPJdxWVqMJE6EFhLL+NIDhThHjruCwDWZLQeEd54jL1N56zzpnDlv6MJfIjeAk7 DZVMFvw8XZxRuvKM4l8UwDglBXqJBJpKePZL1vv4AhiQ45gddT3f9Bgaid7LZo9kUIA2 hjnWqroObcTLtgdGROEml/Ylga7R1k0CutpExzqcn/+MlVLlHDnad0G+Fcr1T21xfJot SrI9nfDlXPbJKj5GzuRaEuDrMwXw/RC9esCPqSRYaN6V+0QUaJ0tn+4+fwYpmOcNYj8/ DzWdnULgCTjxrcENPm2d1T7BXmgdvuo0l8CboBlMsgu20VOZD7z6hwb3wl5+i+FIFax0 WlXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Exyz2Ow1xq6J2P7ArUhsHVt6lyyfDl07t5DU3AggWVDKbWvZR xQtR3aXn8DuakBmVfs19nDrbeXtMnVVcuoONzdo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzVxut2MyHwEuxT9HslDMyVttKzjQCkfyeb5NyWir648lc0NJ4//Z0KOJcdqCYgAuRHr3Q00T8M7mXXA40lD/g= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:2a03:: with SMTP id q3mr7566738vkq.0.1612651645378; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 14:47:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5cb7edc8-7d43-aa3a-334f-18e17aa2fa16@gmail.com> <2ffbcab8-b651-c3f9-d4ed-e9ff792cfde6@mhorton.net> In-Reply-To: From: Niklas Karlsson Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:47:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007823f505bab2b801" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Typing tutors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000007823f505bab2b801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Den l=C3=B6r 6 feb. 2021 kl 23:39 skrev Dave Horsfall : > On Sat, 6 Feb 2021, Mary Ann Horton wrote: > > > At Berkeley, everybody was already a touch typist. That's why vi > > commands emphasize lower case letters, especially hjkl which are right > > under the home position. The original reason for hjkl was the ADM3A, bu= t > > when I added arrow key support to vi and disabled the hardcoded hjkl, a > > line of grad students made me put it back. > > I'm not surprised :-) We were all playing "rogue" back then. And my > favourite terminal was indeed the ADM-3A; it just seemed to be designed > for Unix, with the ESC key in the right place etc. > I'm probably a youngster in this crowd (no, I'm not calling you old farts, more like people with a long history I respect and am willing to learn from). Born in 1980. But I had similar reasons for feeling at home with hjkl. In the 1980s (I think before I even started school) I got my hands on what was then called HACK for MS-DOS, which of course later became NetHack. So by the time I started playing with Linux and other *nixes in 2000, I didn't have any real learning curve with basic vi usage. Niklas --0000000000007823f505bab2b801 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Den l=C3=B6r 6 feb. 2021 kl 23:39 skrev Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org>:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021, Mary Ann Horton w= rote:

> At Berkeley, everybody was already a touch typist. That's why vi <= br> > commands emphasize lower case letters, especially hjkl which are right=
> under the home position. The original reason for hjkl was the ADM3A, b= ut
> when I added arrow key support to vi and disabled the hardcoded hjkl, = a
> line of grad students made me put it back.

I'm not surprised :-)=C2=A0 We were all playing "rogue" back = then.=C2=A0 And my
favourite terminal was indeed the ADM-3A; it just seemed to be designed for Unix, with the ESC key in the right place etc.
I'm probably a youngster in this crowd (no, I'm not cal= ling you old farts, more like people with a long history I respect and am w= illing to learn from). Born in 1980. But I had similar reasons for feeling = at home with hjkl. In the 1980s (I think before I even started school) I go= t my hands on what was then called HACK for MS-DOS, which of course later b= ecame NetHack. So by the time I started playing with Linux and other *nixes= in 2000, I didn't have any real learning curve with basic vi usage.

Niklas
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