From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 1907 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2020 15:47:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Dec 2020 15:47:31 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8DD94944D6; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:47:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E32944D4; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:47:10 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="K2RvbyEZ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D599A944D4; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:47:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f41.google.com (mail-vs1-f41.google.com [209.85.217.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 482E2944D3 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 2020 01:47:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f41.google.com with SMTP id b23so1116608vsp.9 for ; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 07:47:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RDmBjSRWa+bkpGIDqthUvAUSXh5lDXBQnZzigL5JUEs=; b=K2RvbyEZfKRE38UBwrGh2beB0BGjHZ+RDP+54ImiQDkCZt2SdstDuk47uWeFU9bHgi 9gZeMI26tXLDF8P+uP2uSd7QbuYti7GUWNj5GiwAFjDIYjSfjcfApBkHpu6UyIkVbxkM rHc6Yo9c8zKwPFgwdsiLnQxodTTBs1+gu9cjnCAr2z44SkGertCOGdD76TdZjLLmExPJ QH9Nx6sptCtGJUeFcqm74Kz000+HYm9UoWWgrRF8cLx2E9jS62Td3Mn8pcdsN2wpe1aO UWRECFj073hZMhQUcBXVQqlNcjX05nGw7atTIW+5tS8NKh7eBxYMgX284TuRnfxPLiQu etAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RDmBjSRWa+bkpGIDqthUvAUSXh5lDXBQnZzigL5JUEs=; b=PZXOTGQrpPRTquIfVob3/DC4cUAPiPvWjiaPVfI2y2FoGdaf9lwfsvkihwLLK+iOcq 3xOfzRoFObs42hxgNci1XejbFPnHygEoPm0lRf9W/d9KQrVbRjFEYq2EP6kry1Pzx7Zx 7PkEdMW3lxXZquEIWiWFo1vpZC5V5SRQ1eHIewFJMrPBi3aAvvEZepsD/xlJ875clRIP 6PffhWHZ5bwXNegMWrI8w5SOOqEs/aSZ/RvA+bdOJ+MKPW85WK7IoZDOcViTUmTbRC0J 30XXWuIV+zMRk7Hgd0h9o6AxLwajzhJgExKiiFYLZjqnH7idHRYDfqmOeJ8Gi37G904U HDnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532CS+YP2bn+O4HqaweiV/EP+j7u8Pm5n7QNxiZwmVfkkbl7vUsI T/XU5FCnepA3j3GEi1QygahIbH1RSNHDJ/D7FMU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz73+MSnBEtd36l0V8Z4W2ONpKie9S/CFYme7/aDAiuNoV2O8R7txSCpLVDLR/yjlAfd5Nc0e8HrcDfXC6h9eI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:6781:: with SMTP id b123mr2560241vsc.10.1607528827332; Wed, 09 Dec 2020 07:47:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Niklas Karlsson Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 16:46:55 +0100 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b82fc505b609f817" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Were cron and at done at the same time? Or one before the other? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b82fc505b609f817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Den ons 9 dec. 2020 kl 16:42 skrev Clem Cole : > > My point is that "intelligent design" doesn't necessarily guarantee > goodness or for that matter,complete logical thinking. > > My own take on this is what I call "Cole's Law" *Simple economics > always beats sophisticated architecture.* > What you call *organic evolution* is what I think of what makes the *best > economic sense* for the user and that is a function of the time scale and > available resources at the time of creation/deployment. > Makes sense. Just consider Multics, or IBM's "Future System". "Intelligent design" often becomes overambitious and elephantine. That's not to say you don't want to put thought into your designs, but such overambitious plans are a definite pitfall. Niklas --000000000000b82fc505b609f817 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Den ons 9 dec. 2020 kl 16:42 skrev Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>:

<= span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-seri= f">My point is that=C2=A0 =C2=A0"intelligent d= esign" doesn't necessarily=C2=A0guarantee goodness or for that mat= ter,complete logical thinking.

My own tak= e on this is what I call "Cole's Law"=C2=A0 =C2=A0<= font color=3D"#9900ff">Simple economics always beats sophisticated architec= ture.
What yo= u call organic evolution is what I think of what makes the best e= conomic sense for the user and that is a function of the time scale and= available resources at the time of creation/deployment.
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Makes sense. Just consider Mul= tics, or IBM's "Future System". "Intelligent design"= ; often becomes overambitious and elephantine.

Tha= t's not to say you don't want to put thought into your designs, but= such overambitious plans are a definite pitfall.

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