From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ab65e580 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 08:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5F7DE9D52B; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:05:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 622B39D518; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:05:01 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kev009.com header.i=@kev009.com header.b="rx9i+mAq"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 13A299D518; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:04:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com (mail-io1-f44.google.com [209.85.166.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EAEC9CD7A for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 18:04:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id h8so8859922iob.2 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 00:04:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=0zdxewyGkbWbqBmFVNWWcdW7PjpNDpuJyqSl8jt6yCo=; b=rx9i+mAq5x6i6nWF6YEas2vKXuz/HFUlhF907jSjJ6YcP68YwVIeMUYWqAu/hZVJry EWBpjaznsuBeuN4xqNN/v3JLniAD245LJfbeR2537GAOdg2qDO2Gpn2/hFRie6lQ34yv t3ZB+Xvr5Yy2UfjOtdckdVvA6W+lT6Boix+ek= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0zdxewyGkbWbqBmFVNWWcdW7PjpNDpuJyqSl8jt6yCo=; b=cD2jL1DSHEVyhqXzQ0Hr7WXmatnjxI/ElVaqCOsy3DNl+xuH2ClNAk9pttdvKo5cRo 4LFoYgDPJuZZeCtY7Qs3R5N9jnu49mIAwA2A8WLnPIfg9n6iJGQ+/Xtwo/pUU3oncq83 ZpTI0IjGI08iqUnii0TSk/ZK0DeXHRRzmL19tiH97eo04tv9913abVTrj7NLSLRKB4Gv L4Otw7TUgsn5UWXplAzEihegMZ2Om6Kh8hnMqU21m76KxTMGRq5z3wTMr1trPJ4Qt6IZ yNbqniAVhOQpGPLDym4rc8ehqBi1kicCkEMeus9DPVwGYOkcnRWqhndCRpP8rR6/NGdB kpmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX3s47RproG1OEKLfxg14e6euRsLFXDNp0Lb5zDi+258WSUJf9v v98hL16bpRbQUcbBcuQwDJ+mC+iUUG4CKFRtoOP9M3/K X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxhwDXWujMAmc2rGZw/ILR4Bt6wXXzXRENxIwEQAztnPB2326vKXons+Ih9JjGXMg8LYIfgkgfz3JQ25AGgT4w= X-Received: by 2002:a02:a48d:: with SMTP id d13mr15728991jam.141.1582013096590; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 00:04:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <25E62EB5E090E7CB.88de76ea-9cec-4c1e-a00f-b15eb755ab0a@mail.outlook.com> <25E62EB5E090E7CB.b51df4ee-f07b-4926-bf33-ba7bfcd485d9@mail.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <25E62EB5E090E7CB.b51df4ee-f07b-4926-bf33-ba7bfcd485d9@mail.outlook.com> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 01:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jason Stevens Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a8011b059ed52069" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Bitsavers' RT/PC, AIX, AOS, etc. recent additions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000a8011b059ed52069 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m asking exactly where the Mach is in the linked archive. VRM, AI= X or AOS? Can you support this with a reference for my own documentation On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:02 AM Jason Stevens < jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote: > It's the CMU micro kernel. The hybrid "2.6" lived on in NeXTSTEP, and > OPENSTEP, with various upgrades to bring it up to OS X. > > The RT as I understand it was a research machine, hence the BSD ports, an= d > Mach port. > > What is interesting the more I dig around is that there was ROMP > coprocoessor cards, and an OS/2 and DOS monitor program to let you boot B= SD > on the card. Peripheral IO was done on the x86 side. > > If RT's are rare, I can't imagine how impossible it would be to get one o= f > those cards! > > The BSD assembler and linker source is in the archives too, no doubt it'l= l > help someone make a RT emulator. > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:54 PM +0800, "Kevin Bowling" < > kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote: > > Can you clarify what is Mach in this archive if I have a gap in my >> knowledge? I didn=E2=80=99t know the VRM had any direct relationship to = Mach >> >> Regards, >> Kevin >> >> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:43 PM Jason Stevens < >> jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting stuff! And another version of Mach is buried in there. >>> >>> So the 4 csrg cd set may have updates to the romp support as it's an >>> older version of the 5.1 kernel from 89... Not that think there is any >>> Mach romp users. >>> >>> Get Outlook for Android >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* TUHS on behalf of Charles H >>> Sauer >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 5:51 a.m. >>> *To:* TUHS >>> *Subject:* [TUHS] Bitsavers' RT/PC, AIX, AOS, etc. recent additions >>> >>> The Bitsavers' RSS feed ( >>> http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/vintage/bitsavers-bits.xml) seemed >>> to me to be dominated by RT, AIX, AOS (BSD for RT), etc. stuff in the l= ast >>> week or so. I've only sampled a few items, but discovered a few things = that >>> I should have known (or knew and forgot?) while I was at IBM. >>> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/pc/rt/ -- voice: +1.512.784.7526 >>> e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://techn= ologists.com/sauer/ >>> Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter >>> : >>> CharlesHSauer >>> >> --000000000000a8011b059ed52069 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99m asking exactly where the Mach is in the = linked archive. VRM, AIX or AOS? Can you support this with a reference for = my own documentation

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 1:02 AM Jason Steven= s <jsteve@superglobalm= egacorp.com> wrote:
It's the CMU micro kernel.=C2=A0 The hybrid "2= .6" lived on in NeXTSTEP, and OPENSTEP, with various upgrades to bring= it up to OS X.=C2=A0

The RT as I understand it was a research machine, hence the BSD p= orts, and Mach port.=C2=A0

What is interesting the more I dig around is that there was RO= MP coprocoessor cards, and an OS/2 and DOS monitor program to let you boot = BSD on the card.=C2=A0 Peripheral IO was done on the x86 side.=C2=A0
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If RT's are rare= , I can't imagine how impossible it would be to get one of those cards!= =C2=A0

The BSD= assembler and linker source is in the archives too, no doubt it'll hel= p someone make a RT emulator.=C2=A0



On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:54 PM +0800, "Ke= vin Bowling" <kevin.bowling@kev009.com> wrote:
Can you clarify what is Mach in this archive if I ha= ve a gap in my knowledge? I didn=E2=80=99t know the VRM had any direct rela= tionship to Mach

R= egards,
Kevin

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:43 PM Ja= son Stevens <jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com> wrote:
Interesting stuff!=C2=A0 An= d another version of Mach is buried in there.=C2=A0

So the 4 csrg cd set may have updates= to the romp support as it's an older version of the 5.1 kernel from 89= ...=C2=A0 Not that think there is any Mach romp users.=C2=A0

Get Out= look for Android

From: TUHS <tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org> = on behalf of Charles H Sauer <sauer@technologists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020, 5:51 a.m.
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Subject:=C2=A0[TUHS] Bitsavers' RT/PC, AIX, AOS, etc. rec= ent additions

The Bitsavers' RSS feed=20 (http://user.xmission.com/~legalize/vintage/bitsavers-bits= .xml) seemed=20 to me to be dominated by RT, AIX, AOS (BSD for RT), etc. stuff in the=20 last week or so. I've only sampled a few items, but discovered a few=20 things that I should have known (or knew and forgot?) while I was at IBM. http:= //www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/pc/rt/ --=20 voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.co= m/sauer/ Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer
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