From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11304 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2021 16:15:21 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Apr 2021 16:15:21 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 35E7F9C885; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:15:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3009C63E; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:14:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kev009.com header.i=@kev009.com header.b="X4lCTskP"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0F5AB9C63E; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:14:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yb1-f176.google.com (mail-yb1-f176.google.com [209.85.219.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 802179C63D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2021 02:14:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-f176.google.com with SMTP id j2so2333554ybj.8 for ; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 09:14:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NIJadPsT9kcYAHUVsYRbJ41FzcQEs1ih43g5iCkYZSQ=; b=X4lCTskPeq4P4u3lZWViEdCG/XWS7NowSCi+T4iJFq0xSxbROxzbRYLUJCNMZs01XR 23mZtgu0syl+hqCVdLMjpDz/tmLBZjuVrj0ip5KQLGtqYgP2rDVJ0O8hdPar/gl4n5G3 dN96PmiipeNnlwtBdvsqxQvWp3BPPmVr08rhE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NIJadPsT9kcYAHUVsYRbJ41FzcQEs1ih43g5iCkYZSQ=; b=YTUNHLwHup837oLgYCv85JTZ/+N5kZXJmwKZ/IA0m3gCagH6nUMJnhPDpzlBUKODdd oihIVLPWfq3NYo/8Uc/ub9n3BqVR3ocxvh4mszYuviK10ZL0p4+k8gMaGr2L6tSiz3jO nnENOgQshbZztmC1dKoKb6u6kOuXBKbuw/l3osuyXPiMsAd2ogJhWCjttaXWICGMfcie /eUd10hT9dsrzwZMkXOpJaOTfMcnvJyeJJXFC+AXDa0GNH0fuKOTTEYGoMk/ty6JXTFo uy2oKosIiJiZjXbKZSlI9/ZySAQzJsPZbz6aD6NxyBhMtUxA9jyMzxj75bQNuC6JMVoY 1j4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533p00JF219kqf4jqrFWgRU5mPZcEYbrwS+OZsCvhTchLmaCFoxF sXnmvm9Tp50R6Fp4vK2zUMjE4xU9rHeJpSltmO+p6Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxUEIhCtGkiYV9Z5xVrdV//qtqLXvIpCUBfPhUUq4fhs3fBAtpAF+iznUtOBStCkKzACEiwcLtHDQoyanISWgw= X-Received: by 2002:a25:fc22:: with SMTP id v34mr13641180ybd.330.1617293668617; Thu, 01 Apr 2021 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210401145025.GA1202@naleco.com> <20210401152738.GB1202@naleco.com> <20210401153337.GK4209@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210401153337.GK4209@mcvoy.com> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:14:17 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009daa5105beeb86ba" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, Josh Good Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000009daa5105beeb86ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:34 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 05:27:40PM +0200, Josh Good wrote: > > On 2021 Apr 1, 09:12, Warner Losh wrote: > > > The other set of claims made, which may be stronger, was that IBM and > > > Redhat used their dominant position to lock out OSes other than Linux= , > > > including FreeBSD from their cloud platform. > > > > I don't think IBM has a dominant position in the cloud business. > Microsoft's > > Azure and Amazon's AWS are the dominant forces in the cloud business. > > > > I don't see merit on that claim from XinuOS. They are just firing in al= l > > directions to find out if by chance they hit some target with money to > milk. > > And the real joke is that they haven't done any serious work so far as I > can > tell. The original SCO sucked and then they release SVr but s= o > far as I know, there wasn't a decent development team. When I was doing > the TCP/IP port I worked with Jeff Radik a bunch but I never got the sens= e > there were big projects at SCO, it was mostly out sourcing. That was a > long time ago so who knows. My understanding is SCO was known for good company with good engineers in the early =E2=80=9890s. Do we not have any alumni on this list? > > All I know is that Sun did orders of magnitude more work to the kernel, > libraries, at the rest of user space. I think amongst other problems they got fragmented too early with three unix forks for that small a company. > --0000000000009daa5105beeb86ba Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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