From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24386 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2021 01:43:30 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 21 Mar 2021 01:43:30 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id EFCA593D56; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:43:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7A893D1B; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:43:05 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kev009.com header.i=@kev009.com header.b="MiixXyfQ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id F334893D1B; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:43:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-yb1-f171.google.com (mail-yb1-f171.google.com [209.85.219.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E60BF93D06 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:43:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-f171.google.com with SMTP id i9so2535022ybp.4 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:43:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mn5N+jDANsBa7poqSUZB8EF6+M/UbrXWbvKbbGuEMDM=; b=MiixXyfQaFDdQMsClBAwFc/Hp/ps2jTgO8BAXVJ5++wKLXBCCx+L+20WiiH67RXKUH VqSqKcEPJCvP0A4tiymz4XZHRtcKHz36C8A0c/m4FT0v5mYJO/Kifd6atLk5x5F6asVF cQLhUIGhWRwJA0t0ZoySqJufGkzgGb/AydHAo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mn5N+jDANsBa7poqSUZB8EF6+M/UbrXWbvKbbGuEMDM=; b=WTAe2oov4m6J4eLK1pOqXFz489qaee2RQ5+AHnCyP34ImCgzYaQg6IEjkEA1foRDsU 22OoquqULxWmiapSLTHZZM9I6rXzsKcJhPddB5TPJp9pt2D/cUuPl00cfUvzMrwrE2ut TYabSODmVH1O08vkDz4II5ZdAYsQFierm8dRfGv4hKJbzLjOrlFo8zfsaTfm4xLZw1d2 P38lWg45sVx752oG/Uw57ZSQlM3bAIoBtHuETepPIaHU4U9nKw7c9yaiMV3+2oOCj5YK ZO5aNO/CWyWBt/jWuf/cBBUjXC/xmU3/O3eU8+xawTgYed8rzqBG6s8lQ7sYWLfdu8/z 0ckw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5311/wi0aem/ybuXygB4GL8uaKrDGynmVd0OLZRc8tXzCI/EGcjc 0zImtfuJr71ssGWLqMFlyfuEBhjb1HaxUL14R4peA9tjBe8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy2eKc3AkitOssY0A/52wAInZU06+pKDfx0aES8deNJHO/hGqgesZbjqDGbH78m8Tl68VPqOZjGpz1dyzCoqBM= X-Received: by 2002:a25:3bc2:: with SMTP id i185mr15994342yba.87.1616290981839; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:43:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210320115018.GA9713@naleco.com> <20210320151632.GM2912@mcvoy.com> <20210321001843.GX2912@mcvoy.com> <20210321011217.GA60525@eureka.lemis.com> <20210321013126.GY2912@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210321013126.GY2912@mcvoy.com> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 18:42:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d39ac505be021120" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Micnet Was: Re: Surprised about Unix System V in the 80's - so sparse! X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org, Josh Good Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d39ac505be021120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SCO is still around in some form. I believe it=E2=80=99s mostly just a sup= port offering. They converged on two products in the =E2=80=9890s: OpenServer = (SVR3) and UnixWare (SVR4). It seems like most people preferred or were stuck on OpenServer while UnixWare would have eventually been a nicer system but I don=E2=80=99t know first hand. They also shipped a version of FreeBSD 10 commercially a handful of years ago. On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:32 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > So this is just me, I'm not a fan of SCO even though I was the guy that > added TCP/IP to that OS. > > SCO just felt like it was the back burner. Sun felt like it was the > front burner that was pushing things forward. SCO was the team that > said they had this and did nothing with it. > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:12:17PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Saturday, 20 March 2021 at 17:18:43 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > Yeah, but wouldn't that mean that SCO Unix had to be open sourced? > > > Or did they buy the rights? > > > > They didn't "open source" SCO, but in January 2002 they released > > "ancient Unix" under a "BSD-style" license. See > > http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/ > > But I'm sure everybody knows that. > > > > > While I mostly can't believe anyone would want SCO Unix, I do know th= at > > > they ran a lot of cash registers, or maybe they were the server, I > dunno, > > > somehow point of sale and SCO was a thing a long time ago. So maybe = it > > > is a legacy thing? > > > > I haven't been following SCO recently, but at some point they had > > taken UnixWare from Novell. I'm sure that, too, is common knowledge. > > > > Greg > > -- > > Sent from my desktop computer. > > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA > > > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm > --000000000000d39ac505be021120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
SCO is still around in some form.=C2=A0 I believe it=E2= =80=99s mostly just a support offering.=C2=A0 They converged on two product= s in the =E2=80=9890s: =C2=A0OpenServer (SVR3) and UnixWare (SVR4).=C2=A0 I= t seems like most people preferred or were stuck on OpenServer while UnixWa= re would have eventually been a nicer system but I don=E2=80=99t know first= hand.=C2=A0 They also shipped a version of FreeBSD 10 commercially a handf= ul of years ago.

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:32 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
So this is just me, I'm not a fan of SCO even though I was the guy= that
added TCP/IP to that OS.

SCO just felt like it was the back burner.=C2=A0 Sun felt like it was the <= br> front burner that was pushing things forward.=C2=A0 SCO was the team that said they had this and did nothing with it.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 12:12:17PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote= :
> On Saturday, 20 March 2021 at 17:18:43 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > Yeah, but wouldn't that mean that SCO Unix had to be open sou= rced?
> > Or did they buy the rights?
>
> They didn't "open source" SCO, but in January 2002 they = released
> "ancient Unix" under a "BSD-style" license.=C2=A0 = See
> http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/
> But I'm sure everybody knows that.
>
> > While I mostly can't believe anyone would want SCO Unix, I do= know that
> > they ran a lot of cash registers, or maybe they were the server, = I dunno,
> > somehow point of sale and SCO was a thing a long time ago.=C2=A0 = So maybe it
> > is a legacy thing?
>
> I haven't been following SCO recently, but at some point they had<= br> > taken UnixWare from Novell.=C2=A0 I'm sure that, too, is common kn= owledge.
>
> Greg
> --
> Sent from my desktop computer.
> Finger grog@lemis.= com for PGP public key.
> See complete headers for address and phone numbers.
> This message is digitally signed.=C2=A0 If your Microsoft mail program=
> reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA



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