From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d0275aec for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 33BE39B902; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:31:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2C3947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:31:28 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kev009.com header.i=@kev009.com header.b="UqNpE/Yp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 8F0E7947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:31:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f43.google.com (mail-io1-f43.google.com [209.85.166.43]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47753946BD for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:31:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f43.google.com with SMTP id f12so57517784iog.12 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:31:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hxSEMAmGpL2K97xnwCY34NM/qIYtSh09FSl6E6vYxUc=; b=UqNpE/YpUtaCZ1iGjUUQ9OhsOJugx5NTMFDMb0n230zB+4Ibc180d8gCCgbubPodM0 EPv2rw1mEtICveuZd319PWlBKm3AqLZcbRYVcKZgezVos2KzrOEEhekmKrvy1TM9o+7s 1D8TilhQnsdYoEtsY4LfVQz3Ffcal2ngu+cTg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hxSEMAmGpL2K97xnwCY34NM/qIYtSh09FSl6E6vYxUc=; b=qEH85E9SZ6sV9qD+O0mZO0sufRQ2tXray+LfN8Vh2ave0pDG42SKB6BAA0dS0xYnc7 K0W3wgd7achY/+aBhERCePuNzMhIC4RdvJg2motSM2uyqkf7WsAWskAafjcwr7jHuX47 NnxMcHT6oF94FdKkTBYOaEJmw0cB07K1lkfFkk+hYcizKzgeiCgUtBHhHX22UtvrJ3gm L/MZ+hlNGwiPhxdGXZaqA4YGsaNGmJ+HApKivcUjQYIf9AelgV/MZAJOVNvNAR9/9Xlc O2akS61UKx74sZ+6EefyITGnfzbIatuthkkFZ6zSC93NWc2yv2S9HAw597WOaLQjMBWb 2JsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXEQwVjpnLRs6EjMnXq9WqTW/nGhlZjFYsVkdlpW9bRYS+gtfgT 8oGiWVQwRydljzxeUaLf7ZBp9/fleGF9Khb3R+AxIZbcRKSzAVL0 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw/x7aGdkf1/6J5hxpyJ1HD1dEsjGJjSOvEOE3uZ+siKAq83AXry6xicG4XWxvCX5ozS36wxu1PHh8I/0ROLUc= X-Received: by 2002:a02:9085:: with SMTP id x5mr2964967jaf.29.1568316684479; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:31:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kevin Bowling Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:31:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: Charles H Sauer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX stuff here (you give a quote :)). Particularly page 41 gives a chronology of UNIX at IBM: https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s. I think that work happened in Boca Raton. There are some bizarre anecdotes from Craig Newmark on the above https://craigconnects.org/2014/12/29/knowing-when-to-keep-your-mouth-shut/. The S/1 was a PDP competitor (or at least very squarely in the PLC, interfacing and real time worlds) and IBM was driving much more successful product lines, especially the PC, and later AT and RT, that were better suited for competing in the UNIX space. I don't remember where I read this, but I recently came across someone claiming that AT&T tried to sell UNIX to IBM outright in the early 1980s. I'm guessing '81-'82 because the '83 divestment opened up the direct commercialization by AT&T as System III/V. Regards, Kevin On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:55 AM Charles H Sauer wrote: > > On 9/11/2019 10:36 AM, Clem Cole wrote: > ... > > OSF would eventually use the IBM SVR3 license as its base [which > > makes me believe IBM must have had a V7 redistribution license too. > > Somebody like Charlie Saurer might know]. Anyway, IBM, DEC and HP all > > shipped OSF 'licensed' systems although only DEC would switch to an > > OSF/1 based kernel. > > "Sauer" > > idk. As far as I know, IBM Austin did not get source licenses until > System V. Before Clay Cipione became the AIX development manager in the > AFWS -> RT transition, Austin did not have source licenses, as far as I > know. Clay insisted that we have source. > > It is plausible that Don Rozenberg had V7 license at Yorktown and/or > ACIS had V7 license for BSD stuff. > > I'm blind copying Clay and another AIX alumnus that might know for sure. > > Charlie > -- > voice: +1.512.784.7526 e-mail: sauer@technologists.com > fax: +1.512.346.5240 Web: https://technologists.com/sauer/ > Facebook/Google/Skype/Twitter: CharlesHSauer