From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 6be658ba for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 01:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 65EE8A1B16; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:59:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443DA1A1B; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:59:32 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="key not found in DNS" (0-bit key; unprotected) header.d=kev009.com header.i=@kev009.com header.b=rH3P4bWu; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0B243A1A1B; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:59:32 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-it0-f50.google.com (mail-it0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99C5DA1A1A for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:59:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-it0-f50.google.com with SMTP id p129-v6so5313760ite.3 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xz98a3VzefbbXDvY3FYgQs2wY2LexjVMXflyty6OgLQ=; b=rH3P4bWu2enzQno6f/AVp0sWxWqRRNiHEyIY2dvxSkxNHvh2rSS8CZCEdUQKBXLD6K /r7yKCzNo4YqphUqXc1xLBMdyte9/3Q4zTDZu5wrAd5wwliu7WOTLR0/TOhbzRccz4r6 TJEr91ydsErWEhp88xLpOo+T5/ANQ4Y4G77pA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xz98a3VzefbbXDvY3FYgQs2wY2LexjVMXflyty6OgLQ=; b=b7FSNj8Wwl9Vmy9/Z3grfcnf5TBndlGrSG/6OLv+shpoZMQlHkZv711vNmAroKIViU 8OaeSP7zsDrQs1IsKMNA9FQVhp5cqsGGrX7jQe6tfe3OCukwbwnlRHqyliS9X+onMzn3 nNSnmlAN+8R8xs2KIv91eL4hPeCYDUZ/7S35BT6wbxdiT8wcm6lySXd5RRqf0QkqqEwS y385smXc57vYxfVdtVQGZfeqOtbm6DzZw3cJ3Q+RpoSMggPtttmKmdgeXi7X6A6y8Iev Zpdgqplija3SJpXvMUi4qjs1zFe9ii9qEcqfQJesZx7cqf/AL6pn15biTELHHLysTqKK mCzg== X-Gm-Message-State: APzg51BHYV6FtueQndy/pm8VGuBR1kd01K51JP1rmfBHyhb+rNbYRla7 ewd3oFaZ1KcchSUhgBBVOCijuKbHSOiamsNt+fK/5ort/j4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbXrkrqsYuVX4J+Hth/aMcWFycFtpzYm9bvj6aSOeCtXYnMESwO0fLgzQAWphcIRm9zyZUYO/rSVQLLvwTDXR8= X-Received: by 2002:a02:aa95:: with SMTP id u21-v6mr9733069jai.102.1535680771004; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:4882:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20180830213407.6DC4718C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20180830213407.6DC4718C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:30 -0700 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" The effects of copyright on abandonware have been discussed pretty widely in other communities. The primary issue is the contracts and right don't simply expire and it's rare for a company to completely shutter (i.e. assets including these copyrights are acquired or given to creditors). Oracle would need to establish that they have providence over the files and code, and that exceptions for Novel and other code were covered by the OpenSolaris rights reviews. I imagine it might cost low hundreds of thousands of dollars to do lawyers being what they are and commercial *nix being such a melting pot of sources. Since there is no conceivable revenue stream and Oracle isn't much for goodwill I am highly skeptical. Sun releasing OpenSolaris when they finally did and under the CDDL was pretty tone deaf to what was going on in the market with Linux, but you have to admire the amount of contract review and legal work that must have taken. Regards, Kevin On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:34 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Warner Losh > > > The trouble, as I was given to understand when I worked at Solbourne, > > was that ... There were a number of third party bits and pieces in there > > that could not be relicensed ... if there are other IP issues, not > > limited ... It's that quagmire that efforts like this will run up > > against. > > Oh, we'll just ask Oracle for a license 'for all parts of SunOS for which they > have the ability to grant a licence'. > > There's no way I'd want them to have to chase down all the corner cases, > that's just a way to guarantee it will never happen. I'd want to ask for the > bare minimum of time/effort on their part. > > Anything above that, probably the SCCS stuff would be next on the priority > list, sounds like. > > Noel