From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5907 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 03:18:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 03:18:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A65743116; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:17:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-x42f.google.com (mail-pf1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAA5F43113 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:17:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-68fbd31d9ddso391863b3a.0 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:17:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; t=1694402266; x=1695007066; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=csB6pOIp4thE0BhTtY2ejtop1AFYZQNAQmopuoWq6I0=; b=GktHfzqFOx4X5BwhMnyCF/AyFoZszT2JwTEJe8N6vUoDOJl4Z3A62WkJtc95mY1fdZ S1oHE+rD3PCgR+UskMtBnxQ4b79HrOJCnJbCaxhCB6pRR9aZmAV8eDGdpiz49Znxpv7P +7x+zDH3qBIu6gz0AeZ3cPcc+i3lXDtrmzVQs= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694402266; x=1695007066; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=csB6pOIp4thE0BhTtY2ejtop1AFYZQNAQmopuoWq6I0=; b=n7nvbTpyx9j2jjJ8a4YYKEHHddfv35yTXDNIxKqh/MPnkQR0fODkQ1qtHaYxxVoB5x gFP7SsSJmrASqRWJ4q4GlyQid5mkk64LVlwH3kGWBTg4PUtIGH/MDJrfTx7+JCqp4tsY WiZxlf9X0j41nothjKjn9CM+zewSTmNxpzSkm5YTI4V1cb1x1tEhePj4yeIQETWCAIeB 2cLSk8FNtLR6r075IO0BWwxZJ/W2X4eWnrBvjBtiNGPQAacaAdJFwdk6P8oOCvj0lmmZ 4kKRdBy2gF2d6UeaEtmiM3Mcx89H0vXEgskwLywlmfld7KrmWcDi5o+Cj6z7gyeF18bz 4mow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YylnyzGmatBzs+lPiNSh7FkkoqrB0Pu+DIl8C51myYLMNzaAikL HgVtW9tD8oTT5/uTgrThVLG03Pam2pvBgNjWnV4luv7K0VwI8LWR X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFgtp+LidcHHHi6rx9N2vm7NiSLpixpIKBu6G7Rpp5rQYfaMXsFbtqxEIYExly2vS7F9j56MqnMcn+znTD4TTw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:4c13:b0:68f:bace:96cf with SMTP id ea19-20020a056a004c1300b0068fbace96cfmr1490148pfb.6.1694402266002; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:17:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2884e81581b595ec2c4fc11fc6b2a8ab@alanlee.org> In-Reply-To: <2884e81581b595ec2c4fc11fc6b2a8ab@alanlee.org> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:17:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: alan@alanlee.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: N3RRHN72EUOCQNFEBD5ULM6UG23SZ4WA X-Message-ID-Hash: N3RRHN72EUOCQNFEBD5ULM6UG23SZ4WA X-MailFrom: kevin.bowling@kev009.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM wrote: > > My understanding is all the WE IP was retained through the Alcatel-Lucent= mergers and is now owned by Nokia. That would include all the 3Bx systems= and WE32k. I agree with this. Lucent was supporting 3B systems at least into the millennium, they would certainly have some rights to do so. WE32k I've less certainty. > -A > > On 2023-09-10 21:11, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > Hello folks, I'm here today with a question that sprung off of some 3B20 = research. > > When 1984 happened and ATTIS rose from the ashes of former Bell System co= mputing efforts, presumably ATTIS received all IP rights from Western Elect= ric for 3B processors, WE32000, and so on, and continued to sell related pr= oducts through to the 3B2 line. Is this the case, is ATTIS the formal recip= ient of both computing software *and* hardware IPs after the breakup? > > Given that, plus subsequent market flow, "old AT&T" scooped up and parade= d around in effigy by SBC, other old Bell stuff cannibalized by other RBOCs= , spinoffs of stuff to Novell, then Caldera/SCO on the other side...who all= wound up with the hardware IPs? The story as it "concludes" concerning UNI= X is of course tied up in all the subsequent lawsuits, what with Novell and= Caldera conflicts on ownership, transfer to the Open Group, so on and so f= orth, and SCO and progeny wind up with the Sys V "trunk." > > Is there a clear, current owner of these WECo hardware IPs, or have those= waters grown even murkier than those of UNIX in the times after AT&T prope= r? > > Thanks everyone! > > - Matt G. > > P.S. As an aside (even though it's the more directly UNIX thing...) is an= ything after SVR4 developments that would've involved the same folks as wer= e working up to that point in the USL group? Or did the transfer of System = V to Novell also involve their own in house folks starting to take it over,= then over to SCO, is there anything post SVR4 (4.2, 5, UnixWare stuff) tha= t would even remotely be considered the logical next step by the same folks= that engineered SVR4, or was it basically just another face in the crowd o= f "UNIX " when USL wasn't involved anymore? Probably not the first tim= e this has been asked either so to a finer point I'm basically fishing for = whether anything post the initial SVR4 releases in the early 90s is general= ly considered "pure" in any way or if the Bell streams pretty much terminat= e with Research V10 and SVR4, (and IX) at the turn of the 90s. > >