From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c6559919 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 22:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 806FF945F6; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:27:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3FE9404B; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 08:26:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9A3119404B; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:56:33 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com (mail-io1-f52.google.com [209.85.166.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC84394049 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:56:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id q4-v6so24996012iob.8 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:56:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kev009.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WMkk/6bDiOUw6voGOrYd8ptNRzcpuZtzUp17M7a3c7c=; b=PhJuwDVx8dTW3Svwis94BvPkRqwQP+aLIZDBsyIiDnFLmz9QTjvl2iSWA7duo/s5Qu WXpGaBwv+JOSTRT5grkipZerJzfEWDMJchdcynnLWG/7eTkJpQNdO0/voI5eaR9gYD7l NofOGpJ7DuM5Tf933xAK6p21AB5Oahd3UhhNo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WMkk/6bDiOUw6voGOrYd8ptNRzcpuZtzUp17M7a3c7c=; b=VDSNLoPNHVZySy20VH3qXCu/V9XpxOTee+LlpOGPUZcfqKGGq+8UgjHFNtiOTUouSt iyx+Oejj+MBeEB/bGUtI26ZvYD/Y+rnihCkcHIacig5onAowwwdguAwy1L7wcmg00zA/ IL0MCea/iRYF3syuawPxkSM8S4VFZPM4YF6ALeXho//2pCm+t7Lu+Mj5MVifgRovO1rG X9vTnUZgrKg+6mZMFWW6icTAxkPxaZ2BeAEL2hLjUkvHYcV/jSLKmwo2OPIckunlJBq/ sZz5KwBlbsE7bzXRXQ6IPZ+P0nRbVBXNTfZK8pUjir0DzRIxyha+2G4ByxgiVOLSOSl6 LS0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJP3tpJy4MkaAo6au1Ngv/8/k/z9gTOLtBt0YKL1fYnr1ubrAjF cDxPjVpvOFd9F6I/niPd6QaFPAZUOP6pGUJyt+it3q7S X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cOpnMMGBGE/WPi2dgp/v/nZQHoAz0XCg6yRMx/T+Qdbr8Tt6V7DqRRF3coJzKhj8ZNugM6xgd5FaLGqhdHTRw= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b749:: with SMTP id h70-v6mr1398222iof.83.1540072587016; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:56:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3dce7cd7-86f2-4030-ab8c-7a8b95278fb1@SG2APC01FT049.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> In-Reply-To: <3dce7cd7-86f2-4030-ab8c-7a8b95278fb1@SG2APC01FT049.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> From: Kevin Bowling Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 14:56:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [TUHS] IBM Mach 3.0 Ports X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 10:19 AM Jason Stevens wrote: > > I=E2=80=99ve been trying to chase down something usable from CMU Mach for= way too long. I think the afs project is largely on auto-pilot for the la= st 20+ years, and whatever is accessible is, and whatever isn=E2=80=99t is = either lost or locked up with accounts that have moved on in one way or ano= ther. > > > > The only sizable release of Mach of the era is on the 4th CD of the CSRG = releases. And it=E2=80=99s far from any buildable state, that I could real= ly see. > > > > Forever ago there was an effort to get Mach 4 + Lites running and I did g= et it running kind of by accident. I never could rebuild it from source. = Maybe I=E2=80=99m just missing something. But it=E2=80=99s not intuitive a= t all. I guess it=E2=80=99s like the MT XINU Mach for the i386, basically = it was a thing but no copies seem to have survived. > > > > I guess IBM would be scared of people seeing either RS/6000 or the prior = ROMP/RT architecture code, and people running their own OS=E2=80=99s. Much= like the MacMach port. I tried asking the MachTen people about buying the= ir source but they only have binaries on CD. Probably not the reason, these machines were fully and publicly documented. In fact, there is still a book in print on the ROS residual data and firmware runtime services. Most of the register info was in "Hardware Technical Information" manuals that were publicly ordered from IBM Publications (I have these). And in fact I provided this info and it was used to bring up NetBSD in the mid 2000s. > From: Kevin Bowling > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:05 PM > To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: [TUHS] IBM Mach 3.0 Ports > > > > Does anyone have these documents or the ports themselves? Or know who > > to talk to so they can be preserved? > > https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/mach/public/FAQ/rs6k_announce > > > > Regards, > > Kevin > >