From: M Douglas McIlroy <m.douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Macs and future unix derivatives
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:58:08 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKH6PiU4ZLEU25UHw=gryTFMBGeH40DLj333zG1WvBHO1BZsFg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
> Do they *really* want something which is just V7 Unix, with nothing else?
> No TCP/IP, no hot-plug USB support? No web browsing?
> Oh, you wanted more than that? Feature bloat! Feature bloat!
> Feature bloat! Shame! Shame! Shame!
% ls /usr/share/man/man2|wc
495 495 7230
% ls /bin|wc
2809 2809 30468
How many of roughly 500 system calls (to say nothing of uncounted
ioctl's) do you think are necessary for writing those few crucial
capabilities that distinguish Linux from v7? There is
undeniably bloat, but only a sliver of it contributes to the
distinctive utility of today's systems.
Or consider this. Unix grew by about 39 system calls in its first
decade, but an average of 40
per decade ever since. Is this accelerated growth more symptomatic of
maturity or of cancer?
Doug
next reply other threads:[~2021-02-09 3:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-09 3:58 M Douglas McIlroy [this message]
2021-02-09 4:07 ` Adam Thornton
2021-02-09 4:13 ` Will Senn
2021-02-09 5:21 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-09 5:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-09 6:37 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-09 16:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-09 17:31 ` John Cowan
2021-02-09 19:06 ` Chet Ramey
2021-02-10 2:31 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-09 19:00 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-02-10 1:41 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-10 1:52 ` George Michaelson
2021-02-10 2:24 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-10 2:44 ` Dan Cross
2021-02-10 3:10 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-10 20:03 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-02-10 2:57 ` Warner Losh
2021-02-10 2:56 ` Warner Losh
2021-02-10 3:02 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-10 3:53 ` Andrew Warkentin
2021-02-09 11:34 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-02-09 18:29 ` Nemo Nusquam
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2021-02-09 12:22 M Douglas McIlroy
2021-02-09 8:30 Bakul Shah
2021-02-08 18:11 Will Senn
2021-02-08 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-08 18:32 ` Justin Coffey
2021-02-08 18:39 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-09 1:59 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-12 13:48 ` Angel M Alganza
2021-02-08 18:42 ` Henry Bent
2021-02-09 6:55 ` John Gilmore
2021-02-09 7:05 ` Michael Huff
2021-02-16 22:55 ` Greg A. Woods
2021-02-09 7:17 ` Will Senn
2021-02-09 19:02 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-10 1:34 ` Larry McVoy
2021-02-09 22:59 ` Wesley Parish
2021-02-08 18:43 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-02-12 13:39 ` Angel M Alganza
2021-02-08 18:45 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-02-25 22:45 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-02-08 20:07 ` Al Kossow
2021-02-09 5:10 ` Andrew Warkentin
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