From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2036 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 19:58:55 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C019432E3; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:58:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x934.google.com (mail-ua1-x934.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::934]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBF1D40FF2 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:58:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x934.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7a7857e5290so1807465241.1 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1694462317; x=1695067117; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=SXt46x6gh++Z//aD905T7829FpimBVfGtO+uifF74+g=; b=RJzApNDWxIQpdS9OjP1gy+RXma8buHaL5MmxACHhTPlRkfkHaIrtO5CqAjSZ5xNCFi lH6yPrZQw+nzt/zmjqWXagD5xFhyMqkwEd9L5zmi1rJ81jfKb2svkdVzb2vIYzKQF+mp FjW0VoS1M6XrLSo1iW8bYEeQOTQnLiQU1eYEv0H+729ZUtY1Q6s+HkpQDVcx6RcYX/l8 iWxlgpvau7imXFwhKBZkupz+4kJntPlyhgW2NYge5lTXv8kOPyf3XtJxKVbrD1fTcPhM bVoDPY//FAG1RC6ZNw5yD6nWZtc+BKI0207rRMqlI7S94xRsE2L7zHBtnLgMCiUCkH52 3KfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694462317; x=1695067117; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SXt46x6gh++Z//aD905T7829FpimBVfGtO+uifF74+g=; b=SzKnsWIln7ZfFhCZ9CRfBqhlU5WrTS5bMoGKqTtyYEHo0lETZXgZQj01v80QNmrkyx VF8v6K2srNdtbwnLlXPJP2VCW5fsIv1x/H8j6oGnqxiIiSblOCgbxETzweDLU9QxGZKL qxL2f0yPSZlE938iVTbx/76q9K6Z3CCf/vx8XC4u+WwAIbzGKTrKsh2oZ13NA7Azbdmq ufnY/kKUDvvsJx2KuW97H5VUDbllQPW0QXthzwiPT8x+iGlth3aJmtPx7O5SaJrTe7bI J5384guqCfywAmYLwt9V9DJ+ta087gsVHvE8W5SKkKvvaQDtIFussNAJc5ffH9Uw4lWC lwgg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw5A3U2+wB9snRXD8h4NNuBcVHbfpncIZdNBaICdVSsuYtd5mtW OzW2ukkBg7ES3J7+FMG3/W8YsyZxTuNB9AoPTBppBg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHpsuRGtJoAEAmcYPjufyVvKnrqZ1FICwhD/rReF+ZmEJDrPpS9T2yIdLwKi0tCBcal0PWrQNjVjC6FaVmLcDI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:b649:0:b0:44e:af33:4607 with SMTP id e9-20020a67b649000000b0044eaf334607mr8971761vsm.2.1694462317576; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:58:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8cLEEhdmkOHtKBxAfMVu6TQNyw3XQ6paWadcOywtb43zx--LshnfV0tYzcIqZGf_IBODnckLjTG-TETOHBWq8sOABYbJBXlzaYDahigXpm4=@protonmail.com> <9ADDEFE7-F5DC-44D9-9FC7-142D31890492@seiden.com> In-Reply-To: <9ADDEFE7-F5DC-44D9-9FC7-142D31890492@seiden.com> From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:58:20 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mark Seiden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: FQBYKEGU7UXWFGCUJKHXKQSGYTSK4MTQ X-Message-ID-Hash: FQBYKEGU7UXWFGCUJKHXKQSGYTSK4MTQ X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: nassau smelting was Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Way off topic, but too nostalgic to pass up. I was involved in after-hours training courses and persuaded Bob Morris to organize the first one ever to be held off campus, "Bell System with field trips". The highlight of the series was Nassau Smelting and Refining. They proudly told us about their new environmental consciousness: aqua regia (used to reclaim gold) was now being adjusted to pH 7 before being dumped into the Kill van Kull, and stack emissions of lead had been reduced from hundreds of pounds per year to eight. The scene was almost straight out of Agricola. An enormous steel jousting pole mounted on a backhoe was used to shove scrap copper and live-cut tree trunks into a ferocious green-flaming furnace. Men in moon suits and respirators puddled slag floating on open vats of molten lead. A Dickensian crone snipped gold tips off the old relays cradled in her lap. Clothes, including shoes, exchanged at the door of the gloomy gold room, were collected periodically and thrown into the aqua regia pots to extract every last milligram. The only process that really deviated from Agricola was pyrolysis, for reclaiming modern cable cladding. But he surely would have been impressed by the mechanism for casting continuous copper bar and collecting it on a giant spool. They delighted in telling about the time the spool stopped turning while the copper feed continued, filling the hall with an enormous tangle of 1" copper stock. Doug On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 1:47=E2=80=AFPM Mark Seiden wrote: > > hi, old friends (and i mean that both figuratively and literally) > > the recent/continuing brouhaha involving lead sheathed cables made me won= der about > nassau smelting and refining in staten island (a sub of WEco which ended = up with Lucent) > (and apparently another location at W. 29th st which was a superfund sit= e for a while.) > > wonderful chaplainesque photo: > > https://www.facebook.com/classicstatenisland/photos/a.286586221935407/516= 688818925145/?type=3D3 > > also regarding the Staten Island location, quoting from > > https://www.silive.com/news/2020/02/former-nassau-smelting-site-sells-for= -306m.html > > "The cleanup was to entail covering 450,000 cubic yards of contaminated s= oil with a thick, unbreakable plastic liner, as well as layers of clean soi= l.=E2=80=9D > > (hah, what could go wrong with that?) > > On Sep 11, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Paul Winalski wro= te: > > Regarding the possible Western Electric -> Lucent -> Nokia IP path, > has anyone tried contacting Nokia's legal department and asking > whether they think they own the rights to the 3B/WECo computer IP, and > if not, do they know who does (or might) own it? > > -Paul W. > >