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List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000a63b95061c7fef9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > Peter J Denning in 2008 wrote about reforming CACM in 1982/83. [ extract at end ] > That "accomplishment" drove me away from the ACM. I hope the following explanation does not set off yet another long tangential discussion. The CACM had been the prime benefit of ACM membership. It carried generally accessible technical content across the whole spectrum of computing. The "Journal for all Members" (JAM) reform resulted in such content being thinly spread over several journals. To get the perspective that CACM had offered, one would have had to subscribe to and winnow a mountain of specialst literature--assuming the editors of these journals would accept some ACM-style articles. I had been an active member of ACM, having serving as associate editor of three journals, member of the publications planning committee, national lecturer, and Turing-Award chairman. When the JAM reform cut off my window into the field at large, I quit the whole organization. With the advent of WWW, the ACM Digital Library overcame the need to subscribe to multiple journals for wide coverage. Fortunately I had institutional acess to that. I rejoined ACM only after its decision to allow free access to all 20th century content in the DL. This public-spirited action more than atoned for the damage of the JAM reform and warranted my support. I have been happy to find that the current CACM carries one important technical article in each issue and a couple of interesting columnists among the generally insipid JAM content. And I am pleased by the news that ACM will soon also give open access to most 21st-century content. 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> Peter J Denning in 2008 wrote ab= out reforming CACM in 1982/83. [ extract at end ]

That &q= uot;accomplishment" drove me away from the ACM. I hope the following e= xplanation does not set off yet another long tangential discussion.

The CACM had been the prime benefit of ACM me= mbership. It carried generally accessible technical content across the whol= e spectrum of computing. The "Journal for all Members" (JAM) refo= rm resulted in such content being thinly spread over several journals. To g= et the perspective that CACM had offered, one would have had to subscribe t= o and winnow a mountain of specialst literature--assuming the editors of th= ese journals would accept some ACM-style articles.

I had been an active member of ACM, having serving as associate editor of = three journals, member of the publications planning committee, national lec= turer, and Turing-Award chairman. When the JAM reform cut off my window int= o the field at large, I quit the whole organization.=C2=A0

With the advent of WWW, the ACM Digital Library overcame the need = to subscribe to multiple journals for wide coverage. Fortunately I had inst= itutional acess to that. I rejoined ACM only after its decision to allow fr= ee access to all 20th century content in the DL. This public-spirited actio= n more than atoned for the damage of the JAM reform and warranted my suppor= t.

I have been happy to find that the current CACM= carries one important technical article in each issue and a couple of inte= resting columnists among the generally insipid JAM content. And I am please= d by the news that ACM will soon also give open access to most 21st-century= content.

Doug
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