From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0E24F88 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2024 21:23:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B7B427B0; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:23:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84FD3427AF for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:23:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4d35ab44ba9so812701e0c.1 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2024 12:23:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1709583816; x=1710188616; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=F9zZeaBi4t+M5BCGppkvWm/IX+wISpBR4wqMQo7PhD8=; b=eZvl+C+pBrPzvvcS0uNfGfUZUKnIg/ESaqSa617KJfavqfJU8MLsIIok9orYXL2QPf szWVGGfPRhKbhvoklbW/kagNqofOKpoAoG1RKvD9cUAdnEV2/5mfm/eTdvpafCPV/tVL WXYUOjJFxBeVSoTbsUw2MlVc1+qywHA/r/pekveX0PG1WuI77fns3wMVP5LSjen+J9fL fioTNaFsMfaG89xbsBw4wPPg7tTrIyPT7vWw1MrWWT6Z8+vedCzDHBEVtfw3cPN6fM0Q 7iJ9FawJ80JCIVy10Xqg0s/URSj/8RdGbuWcflQtn144Clc4Qz7cjMGpcvxGcRYlRjzh 989w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709583816; x=1710188616; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=F9zZeaBi4t+M5BCGppkvWm/IX+wISpBR4wqMQo7PhD8=; b=gbEiP996RwvFNEcMNBqtHQuZYlnEsuKmsCL3D0HvjoQya7uGMqDGJOVmVMEbwMKiDx 1tduAYSe8FtEsPoDI57QiqurNjM6PmFuYihls6c5rRSLg5YvJq6AFGoBiphuKkM2wg05 Xm/Ve9yuiUehLM5oLJde+Efao8LL+agLRfA2/vrPbE5aCHkp1Ai6/3GTIHufsdgKBdHj e2ECVlIYpl8WguyBGiR4LsfkGRDFyvcFXERws0hisMkBMTWCDhAR8uRQlrrpOZF9Lb5V iWP9j4n3STn8fC5xoi8H+C+kHnhRC//O7iD3FN5xvE1arxX2yZvtSDOURiCQojEUGTgI cXgg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWWeog7lb2hizD51bPw0rZDpoBNgBbCnbCM8COsT5yMMqi6j6ITR8JQ2vGVjfd/OAEggR9tRYQ9sOFqESMI X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx41AKqqBim+TwZMVyw6z6NoGfwUjTqRrzAV2O8adZB6LgCm4si LLAYwphm3vc6AbF6lkhuunurzk8AA5gz0Dz3r/6Z2sG3mIcptZhx8dx0Z9la2C5fQjj8yK7XV17 52dY6wKVJJJwEzASAibOZ0m5SY0OT/dcq+Ig79yYBX4E0bfakTfA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH81+bl3zTmGEhRfIi5wx3oZKrMa/UTWzhntvk2vEKMKbuJxUS7BmnpUIHFvrAQnXbf1Mqc8Y7qE8IixmLozhE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:903:b0:472:d22a:c34c with SMTP id x3-20020a056102090300b00472d22ac34cmr1828378vsh.28.1709583816002; Mon, 04 Mar 2024 12:23:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 15:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: To: Dan Cross Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001124410612db8030" Message-ID-Hash: T6GTHBNASFGW2BLMGWH2V2YL33VCGPKV X-Message-ID-Hash: T6GTHBNASFGW2BLMGWH2V2YL33VCGPKV X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Lions' Commentary Revisions? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000001124410612db8030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I'm curious, is anyone aware of any attempts to revise John Lions's UNIX >> Commentary for versions beyond the Sixth Edition? > As I understand it, this was prohibited for 7th Edition It would be OK now, for the 7th edition source has been released, free of the trade-secret constraint. On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 1:46=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wrote: > On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS = wrote: > > I hope everyone's having a lovely tail end of whichever season is > gracing your > > hemisphere. Had some surprise snow this morning up in the NW corner of > the US, > > hoping it bodes well for a mild summer. > > > > I'm curious, is anyone aware of any attempts to revise John Lions's UNI= X > > Commentary for versions beyond the Sixth Edition? > > As I understand it, this was prohibited for 7th Edition and later by > restrictions inserted into licenses for those versions. I don't know > exactly how, as I'm not a lawyer. > > In terms of modern adaptations, there are commentaries for the Plan 9 > (3rd Edition) source code that are similar to Lions, and the xv6 > pedagogical system is accompanied by a similar commentary. > > - Dan C. > --0000000000001124410612db8030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> I'm= curious, is anyone aware of any attempts to revise John Lions's UNIX>> Commentary for versions beyond the Sixth Edition?

= > As I understand it, this was prohibited for 7th Edition

It would be OK now, for the 7th edition source h= as been released, free of the trade-secret constraint.

On Mon, Mar 4, = 2024 at 1:46=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross <c= rossd@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 1:41=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS <= ;tuhs@tuhs.org> w= rote:
> I hope everyone's having a lovely tail end of whichever season is = gracing your
> hemisphere.=C2=A0 Had some surprise snow this morning up in the NW cor= ner of the US,
> hoping it bodes well for a mild summer.
>
> I'm curious, is anyone aware of any attempts to revise John Lions&= #39;s UNIX
> Commentary for versions beyond the Sixth Edition?

As I understand it, this was prohibited for 7th Edition and later by
restrictions inserted into licenses for those versions. I don't know exactly how, as I'm not a lawyer.

In terms of modern adaptations, there are commentaries for the Plan 9
(3rd Edition) source code that are similar to Lions, and the xv6
pedagogical system is accompanied by a similar commentary.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.
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