From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9028727157 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 03:11:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044D343242; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:10:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x935.google.com (mail-ua1-x935.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::935]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 646B143241 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:10:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x935.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7d2e1832d4dso1786275241.2 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:10:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1708395045; x=1708999845; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zXehd+FGC/35SA/J4Wu2S2NpkFhqdmhhfKLw9pckawc=; b=r3ShP5Cp5mcaEu2mIs8lbS7UgxwLrk91BGb41IWdo0kQgJCHH+wON9heT8Fjb+u8v2 ZmNFBDJTWL1REy5EzfxGM3BPrqBQewCmo+F3ggygFvsD2RdeXmdtpp9CZtcOjxE0N1yU K5qKtdKUSCQnE1ak5dlGpVBRRGNiQtAcXdNiRqGrzJS7NJJY38glf0WdV8fUsiM4127M uvMiC2nRD2wRZ0KAAWi9+Au+jtv8iKLX85KlqF7sfXqNDdLa76ZO2T3jrzzdtRmJoYyC TAxyUHWopdT1/gdVrIJxJWToyP1N3RLioidW35COMfikLG67tfTx+O5/AszBzrs/ChR6 ieMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708395045; x=1708999845; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=zXehd+FGC/35SA/J4Wu2S2NpkFhqdmhhfKLw9pckawc=; b=GuvXNdg3bQeN41hsBZ33T7zOyjCjtzFzKQV8MM0FvetbqoLaD4QJ2UHBT2+7rXGlPl emtTP7h7yRhcjex3QPuAFCuJpeXjI/fpfM1PSvj6NHxq56wPxlintPMgseN6WXIQUXqZ XoOGVvyPESI7XWw35vEIO/LW6JJDgufW7Xig26MKl3L1JFGlCdJnq71Le+SfZWGi88Kx tcA6b8p88Akg0vPOmC4zLEse2ff/Egc5XsF3GkF5ynK2+CxlbzYa5STNUAcK/bbOjnFW 2ngIa81Yu4YM9wnrUiVgyjmKLM9HB15SpgaMfCAcnOPhhUyHQeLylXSxjXyMKDV8qpo+ t/wA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUBOx+6LEGhum5yhyPxolBvJF78mGF7MjPAgSArKMopppolRLrKEsMYa8rhdSxwu2KUYd1/byIVQHGU6dPP X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwlicVeNfNhTaudNGh+FJvxqYEl0aiINDZlReq+xTItEClllPus dDS+ik1EUSA6ny5YtjtjK9lwhye0rLX/eLdySBqHMCZYjqBWVZhqyyzxki7qmqJkxr3YDqDbT8A B2jelzLXGRxfEmT+cxP4WfTWMjuldbzAJ9IbrVw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGGkTMLz874IFG3bjTZ7tcMVGja+hpc+/FU22ziF0uoMgcuy2yexGZL2KrD2Hp2h6q11rLstFU6SRyt2pbwJWU= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f518:0:b0:470:4855:d0d7 with SMTP id u24-20020a67f518000000b004704855d0d7mr3546539vsn.16.1708395044681; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:10:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240219195858.6ACEB431AE@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:10:29 -0500 Message-ID: To: James Johnston Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c657700611c6b777" Message-ID-Hash: WCDS425ZZQVHZP6GAXHOUIRJH4SY2JPB X-Message-ID-Hash: WCDS425ZZQVHZP6GAXHOUIRJH4SY2JPB X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Warren Toomey , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Web Service on Minnie is 30 Years Old Today List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c657700611c6b777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren, Well done indeed! Though the first website, info.cern.ch, is still running, it's not under the loving care of its originator. Doug On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM James Johnston wrote: > Well done. Has the hardware evolved? I presume so, but I do remember one > legacy machine from the early 1980's at BTL (icarus, an 11/23), that when > it shut down forever in 1996, was a microvax, with its bus connected to a > standard PDP11 bus, that connected to a Q-bus, and the original discs wer= e > still on line. It's uptime was never more than 350+ days, though, becaus= e > of once a year UPS testing. In its last incarnation, it did nothing but > mail routing, and that barely. I don't think anything changed on it in t= he > last 10 years, not even the system. > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:15=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:02=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wro= te: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 1:58=E2=80=AFPM Rich Salz = wrote: >>> >>>> I think this makes minnie one of the longest running web services >>>>> still in existence :-) >>>>> >>>> >>>> Congrats. In a ship of Theseus sense.:) >>>> >>> >>> *We all sail in the Unix ship of Theseus..*. Every system today had >>> code from Unix directly, or from another ship that was built of the bui= lts >>> of one that was split between a couple of groups. Yes, even Linux: lots= of >>> networking userland came from BSD, for example, and while lots have bee= n >>> rewritten, that's kinda the point of the ship of Theseus... :) >>> >> +1 >> My observation is that Linux is just the current (and most >> successful) implementation of ideas that Doug, Ken, Rudd, Dennis, *et >> al.* started and others have contributed to over the years. And like >> the thought experiment described, there is no reason why the ship can no= t >> be changed. It still sails the same way to the same places. >> >> >> =E1=90=A7 >> > > > -- > James D. (jj) Johnston > > Chief Scientist, Immersion Networks > --000000000000c657700611c6b777 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warren,

Well done indeed! Though the fi= rst website,=C2=A0info.cern.ch, is stil= l running, it's not under the loving care of its originator.
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Doug

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:45=E2=80=AFPM James John= ston <audioskeptic@gmail.com> wrote:
Well done. Has the hardware evolved?=C2=A0 I presume so, but I do remember = one legacy machine from the early 1980's at BTL (icarus, an 11/23), tha= t when it shut down forever in 1996, was a microvax, with its bus connected= to a standard PDP11 bus, that connected to a Q-bus, and the original discs= were still on line.=C2=A0 It's uptime was never more than 350+ days, t= hough, because of once a year UPS testing.=C2=A0 In its last incarnation, i= t did nothing but mail routing, and that barely.=C2=A0 I don't think an= ything changed on it in the last 10 years, not even the system.
On Mon, = Feb 19, 2024 at 1:15=E2=80=AFPM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:


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James D. (jj) Johnston

Chief Scientist, I= mmersion Networks
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