From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 849 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2023 17:00:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Jan 2023 17:00:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B34424F2; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 03:00:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f169.google.com (mail-vk1-f169.google.com [209.85.221.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57FD0424AF for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 03:00:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id w72so6266140vkw.7 for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4vg0K+/syBCvlTrmLrT1c629x0dRFvH6F4fe6LjCJ7I=; b=OrnuEkcK2xUhFscn/e4jxE6rXeJC6I5Ct5kKpMVga6YdSXTw/6SLcdhhmdhuRu66v8 7oIWAyre6vMhk8OeGCYPk2UcAtuDvVvQlbOuR5EUcF1P0uFYXNchmkMc3Ek3wnuS2xTV AlscxpbiEfkXk5WCXv28JHHXmVSGJf+8bG1ne/K8H0YQIkFtkWdB8o4AJmK0wIYC7GxI YT5rAxIFWmuxvcrbQfN8MBp6NkKL9fK4pOztYQv2kD/bZTtKu//beQQiYlAErNU1XBYz F9qnNoYynNw3+GxdPfg25eXtHhVn+30tTAzSLiR9gaK3toNAH2EZbIS2k5fmltwuVE55 W3bA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4vg0K+/syBCvlTrmLrT1c629x0dRFvH6F4fe6LjCJ7I=; b=eGqegMmRD0j/30wxOcRlwBN0Z3QhOkC2+dc/X49cjZ+UlNnoIS0OjvUZ1qfLhPhhhP hZM023KrPpLkx3h5HOMy0o5yHxM4PJipjkxn4zv4Ni070g6O8x84GKFA2pBm4fwWKi78 e8wuUcrM2Slr9Rhq4ZB/9gBV7eLx7EqV7nWP89vpPdzCglyvP6lOc6Wu8M9cbSFz3M09 8r5XMHH20dw/25F8jXcImmsAG4dRi1VkgOdQHdXz6WOGEGKf3NmPFqv+AWBB4Ax8Kngi ynq2Dv03dGY2uLnRRjForiSWyQK02CvkvjaVBnxyamXPHydlBVETD/W7/QmTJ9RLVlW6 XUXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2koQ418SxFO9D/UXewCtWeUMC6H1Kft78np/4JfqChmhE5nntg8q Ku/Ri+QyqdVpHXEizfASL46khA6+ULLltraAbve9M57OEOn1xfko X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXtiMz5ONkd17pNGH+mAo6Rj+s0ABkFGHXXudO175c34HLftuKmh6TIMUb4k7qj91cKISyLI3mkOkamD2WkbDM0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:625:b0:3da:222:7fff with SMTP id g5-20020a056122062500b003da02227fffmr3230346vkp.9.1674493156510; Mon, 23 Jan 2023 08:59:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301230730.30N7UWqP018967@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:59:00 -0500 Message-ID: To: James Johnston , TUHS main list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: VYLVAD7EXTXLXMXBHOSBN5NZM6ULBCB6 X-Message-ID-Hash: VYLVAD7EXTXLXMXBHOSBN5NZM6ULBCB6 X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: FD 2 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: >> And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was phototypesetting >> 'file not found' too often... But that last bit is mostly because I want >> to believe. > Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. > It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. If I ever said that I must have been smoking something at the time. The phototypesetter is a dramatic example, but a minor cause. The major cause was pipes. Downstream programs fail when they receive diagnostics rather than data. And users never see the reason why. Doug On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 3:34 AM James Johnston wrote: > > At one point it was like $22/page. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:30 PM wrote: >> >> Warner Losh wrote: >> >> > And I believe that the impetus for the V7 changes was phototypesetting >> > 'file not found' too often... But that last bit is mostly because I want >> > to believe. >> >> Doug McIlroy has told that story here, search the archives. >> It was indeed becase of the phototypesetter. >> >> Arnold > > > > -- > James D. (jj) Johnston > > Chief Scientist, Immersion Networks