From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4287 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2023 21:07:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Sep 2023 21:07:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B96432EA; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 07:07:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com (mail-ua1-x929.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69D5A43118 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 07:07:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-7a4ee7f9c37so1971323241.0 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:07:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1694466420; x=1695071220; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=fG1fOV7iSzllqhhmkq1cKisbw+tGdLjujVi0t4riIRs=; b=xMLyVlUtFOeRlzaW+SOhOvvTi0QpgEZElHAs5BFPIzvlCye2QlFPUWLhc/ku0aChE7 828+5fLi7Q0XtOiDU2HQ2cvO+voZWjZQofgZQ9qYzgkcf86kwGfMjSG40Frrfk3aTg0a GF/CJxT0sP2g0SWX6/L33scL5QzT1wU2GiO3jmBesa3CXT/06xly7hT7P4pwp7iU3T4x gjOjJxYh2FA6FIkrGpuD9Zhw3RHAETllteAfoWDLjMyaHGZ1v5WgguFH3w7l747r293Q poFvGiP1tSrl8ygQlovsTra+gy4OKw4I150Yn4njwPXD4SRpos0KWIznwZV5wPB2o95H LjHQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694466420; x=1695071220; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fG1fOV7iSzllqhhmkq1cKisbw+tGdLjujVi0t4riIRs=; b=S9i0PF7B84OGnJ4VAP36IsV1uQoKl88G3uG0oIyornRv4/jLO33Q5KVHXWsU4nRYCd 4G0aqkCmlI17aYa8NwvvXjuxmViAdyx0Yfc9q2zascE81GQGVDpGemcJhIWMNesHKGcy 8lyC0Nrkd2/XYh1s+7Rz0WLvkW248+i+b+SWrPsB4OOxsIe7nP0qh8d9j/spvWC3f8Ue pNDg7SdHqPZ71ZAcEGCypm3LbsZq9eIHALRRmeo1N7rvdUR7xCm9EAiO2nJzSHRIUo5b +nA3rZ2RTDMyoJnBi4O4F1L+8fs//Ki6uEVaxv3puqgwbDnc5E5yI7XPvRU0Z0o9wYY7 ZJtw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz5DmHtqe55Mh5wy2Wb/rbOYgZlGLJ2yNonDF+cX6prIiP4hfT9 CV6obhP71eAsEPJNvCAKlv2qwserwhOYM3NSVdFX+ilcHIK3MCc6jRE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFpR/+37YkFeXZYCHiJjPvQMkMpciOfriEajAKelGAvi3r1SO4qTx73iuR2947t529OYyROagbiaWshGTEt3mU= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fa19:0:b0:44e:8d95:88b8 with SMTP id i25-20020a67fa19000000b0044e8d9588b8mr8734250vsq.17.1694466419736; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:06:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8cLEEhdmkOHtKBxAfMVu6TQNyw3XQ6paWadcOywtb43zx--LshnfV0tYzcIqZGf_IBODnckLjTG-TETOHBWq8sOABYbJBXlzaYDahigXpm4=@protonmail.com> <9ADDEFE7-F5DC-44D9-9FC7-142D31890492@seiden.com> In-Reply-To: From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: To: Mark Seiden , TUHS main list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: STNZWYKJ7TA4BSUJQRDKYJGEIOH3KSIS X-Message-ID-Hash: STNZWYKJ7TA4BSUJQRDKYJGEIOH3KSIS X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: nassau smelting was Re: Current Ownership of 3B/WECo Computer IPs List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > i=E2=80=99m having trouble identifying =E2=80=9CAgricola=E2=80=9D. See WIkipedia on "De re metallica", or for the real thing https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38015/38015-h/38015-h.htm On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 4:29=E2=80=AFPM Mark Seiden wrote: > > i=E2=80=99m so happy you replied. > > have you considered a memoir? > > your writing is very vivid (and literate). > > but i=E2=80=99m having trouble identifying =E2=80=9CAgricola=E2=80=9D. > > the strategy board game? the roman emperor? the farm to table restaurant= in princeton? > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2023, at 3:58 PM, Douglas McIlroy wrote: > > > > Way off topic, but too nostalgic to pass up. I was involved in > > after-hours training courses and persuaded Bob Morris to organize the > > first one ever to be held off campus, "Bell System with field trips". > > The highlight of the series was Nassau Smelting and Refining. They > > proudly told us about their new environmental consciousness: aqua > > regia (used to reclaim gold) was now being adjusted to pH 7 before > > being dumped into the Kill van Kull, and stack emissions of lead had > > been reduced from hundreds of pounds per year to eight. > > > > The scene was almost straight out of Agricola. An enormous steel > > jousting pole mounted on a backhoe was used to shove scrap copper and > > live-cut tree trunks into a ferocious green-flaming furnace. Men in > > moon suits and respirators puddled slag floating on open vats of > > molten lead. A Dickensian crone snipped gold tips off the old relays > > cradled in her lap. Clothes, including shoes, exchanged at the door of > > the gloomy gold room, were collected periodically and thrown into the > > aqua regia pots to extract every last milligram. > > > > The only process that really deviated from Agricola was pyrolysis, for > > reclaiming modern cable cladding. But he surely would have been > > impressed by the mechanism for casting continuous copper bar and > > collecting it on a giant spool. They delighted in telling about the > > time the spool stopped turning while the copper feed continued, > > filling the hall with an enormous tangle of 1" copper stock. > > > > Doug > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 1:47=E2=80=AFPM Mark Seiden wr= ote: > >> > >> hi, old friends (and i mean that both figuratively and literally) > >> > >> the recent/continuing brouhaha involving lead sheathed cables made me = wonder about > >> nassau smelting and refining in staten island (a sub of WEco which end= ed up with Lucent) > >> (and apparently another location at W. 29th st which was a superfund = site for a while.) > >> > >> wonderful chaplainesque photo: > >> > >> https://www.facebook.com/classicstatenisland/photos/a.286586221935407/= 516688818925145/?type=3D3 > >> > >> also regarding the Staten Island location, quoting from > >> > >> https://www.silive.com/news/2020/02/former-nassau-smelting-site-sells-= for-306m.html > >> > >> "The cleanup was to entail covering 450,000 cubic yards of contaminate= d soil with a thick, unbreakable plastic liner, as well as layers of clean = soil.=E2=80=9D > >> > >> (hah, what could go wrong with that?) > >> > >> On Sep 11, 2023, at 11:34 AM, Paul Winalski = wrote: > >> > >> Regarding the possible Western Electric -> Lucent -> Nokia IP path, > >> has anyone tried contacting Nokia's legal department and asking > >> whether they think they own the rights to the 3B/WECo computer IP, and > >> if not, do they know who does (or might) own it? > >> > >> -Paul W. > >> > >> >