From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24597 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2021 01:13:50 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Mar 2021 01:13:50 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C434A9BD87; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:13:45 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B709B5E8; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:13:17 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=dartmouth.edu header.i=@dartmouth.edu header.b="wEbc2p1h"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A02709B5E8; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:13:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f46.google.com (mail-wr1-f46.google.com [209.85.221.46]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9376B9B595 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:13:13 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f46.google.com with SMTP id v15so9629436wrx.4 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 18:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IApW+VVpZfrTonh2Badk8pj2Q9VH1P2W3QVixjnXNuQ=; b=wEbc2p1h72NIlniwSOJb/M0p+IF0tny7G29kHwinp8/Lz84DnX6nYFDZfxx5USuIXN C7nr3QcnKNlNrCN2tfr/FFL2kdGZr6WtTcYHQzAb5DDhA3XW9hPRHNuiR1Nwqt6e0vXT EDPw7sTjMVyEuci3BF+CgZeW2berlX/UUYg9qTHleHPq45tYhtzVxHUjeit+9hZCX7KJ pM3LIrzN9oFpZ4qK62biLKCDDiYC+t0aQ+kiwo8BgTjJCIO8cHFG1eFBR0i+U+00Xtza Gz7nM37ej9fzCQLGlFv9Zk37vFRyoM2I6Kyn8vjNMXc7aCm554qHtf4WjB3DeT/EpIpY mT0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IApW+VVpZfrTonh2Badk8pj2Q9VH1P2W3QVixjnXNuQ=; b=QSwao10ywHiUHZAqXahdIjNWtByC4wBcMZ8XCAutGze1aZbENaKbwDQdiBWKt2f09c K5IBSGpmscHRwuSoxImH2Q1wSsxUyQxX2ZMkJzlLbh702STxfC+tSRS0bgv5DAOYN7eo htW/V2utnCJX3mRBe2WOCcNNcfX+dn+POwJ8cZhtdtMU0F57uayuJq+GlfeahRWJamdy FafVX/nxtHOkWR5kxjQNl+SZJOLRSDjvdEF+UV4QzHo2qVztt3jVqHc5B2Ybqct8H4VH pcN2cZ6mPECNKWGfsoHAJ35tyLcXeu6UFubnoqwbOwl8i/xN86zooMspKEhRVBeTIjND E0Sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5316AsUITQG4hSGmf88WI1WLVJCoxZqMhWP9sdw7TnBaKNsFosq1 bMomo3tTIOS8wEzZSsLSKBaVBjAcktPsqvzzM3hv3Jy+Vd934g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxw4mo67o4jQoyXJhAFfakK6J4DT0Bog8EKf+rXtHHs4sVfNWMGawHzyTbFQ3OOBd7PgFLv0fSosxJy23PPWRI= X-Received: by 2002:adf:dd4f:: with SMTP id u15mr2197435wrm.260.1615857192111; Mon, 15 Mar 2021 18:13:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202103152246.12FMkgg1001552@cuzuco.com> In-Reply-To: <202103152246.12FMkgg1001552@cuzuco.com> From: M Douglas McIlroy Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Brian Walden Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fred Grampp X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" Serendipitous find! I hadn't realized that Fred had been the third generation in the hardware store. His father ("Pops") retired to Drayton Island in the St Johns River about 60 miles south of Jacksonville. Fred often visited him, driving the 19-hour trip in one stint. Doug On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 6:47 PM Brian Walden wrote: > > Amazing coincidences. A week prior I was researching Topper Toys > looking for their old factory ("largest toy factory in the world") > As there was litte on it's location and it lead me to find out > in 1961 it took over the old Singer Factory in Elizabeth, NJ. > So looking up the Singer factory led me to "Elizabeth, > New Jersey, Then and Now" by Robert J. Baptista > > https://ia801304.us.archive.org/11/items/ElizabethNewJerseyThenAndNowSecondEdition2015/ElizabethNewJerseyThenNowThirdEditionApril102018607Pages.pdf > > Which had no information on Topper, but had had this paragraph in it's Singer > section on page 28 -- > > Boys earned money "rushing the growler" at lunchtime at the Singer plant. > German workers lowered their covered beer pails, called growlers, on ropes > to the boys waiting below. They earned a nickel by filling them with beer > at Grampp's saloon on Trumbull St. One of these boys was Thomas Dunn who > later became a long term Mayor. In the early 1920s Frederick Grampp went > into the hardware business at the corner of Elizabeth Ave. and Reid St. > > > When I read it I thought funny, as I know the name Fred Grampp. But beleived > just a coincidenental same name. After reading the biography post, I went back > to the book as it turns out that Fred Grampp is your Fred Grampps's > grandfather. You can find more his family and the hardware store and > Grampp himself on pages 163-164, and 212. > > -Brian >