From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4868 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2023 04:51:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Feb 2023 04:51:41 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28D9424B0; Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:51:34 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f52.google.com (mail-vs1-f52.google.com [209.85.217.52]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89803424AC for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2023 14:51:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 187so18368555vsv.10 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:51:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=8b9bxbASfe/HHP3EqjCX9byHUVY1pz9wtchwjsNiidw=; b=vbwEIhVqDJBTAfw1htr6Lp3fLNlAAW0GK43BjhX5znoMwhepBjLJcRuGIVoiH9+zu4 BxsBpoTOMGOjp4mtN2d/838tYqsX3uZP4g9tC+EPloTYiikrgTuaTmHMmPWhWSm3fSW3 MVpnFRY8v2QTT6jW43qD4F/XO81P+adTRXQtztIRhvFAY5QVLKXwjivE4WlAIMaal8Yy sNQqM1VEGcbzJMvwJioer+/wZzT5YHemMtQ9psuhpXsHBUbKx7gW7dVJ+6EdJU398DOt WhkWsOdCRzItgGXGIr3TEb4zW8kmy2D6YHvteKR0tPYsJHdZER5/g37aSvXJ3aTcrpxR JH+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8b9bxbASfe/HHP3EqjCX9byHUVY1pz9wtchwjsNiidw=; b=PoSh0mRFCreWLxs1yoWQ2/jkEuwdvVWzZob3PWj+y0MD6LoRH7s2dVQGe1ccu0CLWW O06pIvVrB4d9Gb9OWdIGt0FkMFTPYtlShI8ROyJKJkidPm6uO/1W6u+hrOT1aZd8eMTt J9ka4d2lPrcDnvE6A2JpB+/1xK5Y/E9qWh13G6Z7eo+eFqdEox4IW9zZjby/SpYu/YEH SQoKYQyEmuRg8+A8Gu2NXBQcu0gJjMSVMtxt+VNtWQISumMU6KPEwTEhzBLWqjhzRCQG M1xjF79GXj1uRgxmxNUa7nOSByQ2xUhO8SttR+fxE8e0nCiQAc1SQ+YBUX/Pb81VDm/B 15Ig== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUEQi7l7c3iaKkh5LEgJ9WGCzdw/iQFHp4p2tlX5mHSFdjDDief cWqmbAMoNlyaBGrvEr6idyuO6L6E/+duG0yoVaWl4Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9s48GghTLGdnL4NgKrfuy5bIZN/0UDLVRC9ZZ7HomEoM5uXDirt6H+qWkBNN2jvAO5ytZDq166Svl8jEt/Bfg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:440d:b0:3ea:a853:97c4 with SMTP id df13-20020a056102440d00b003eaa85397c4mr230260vsb.36.1675227029652; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:50:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2023 23:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 7TJQAORZSRJU66V74RO4YCRTJILIZGIL X-Message-ID-Hash: 7TJQAORZSRJU66V74RO4YCRTJILIZGIL X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Unix game origins - stories similar to Crowther's Adventure List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Moo (later marketed as Master Mind) was an import from Cambridge. A moo leader board sprang up. Maintenance of a file that had to be written on behalf of any user posed a conundrum--how could you protect it against false updates? Dennis's novel solution to this and related problems was setuid, which garnered the only Unix patent. Wumpus was my preschool kids' introduction to computing. They learned the tricks of shooting crooked arrows faster than I learned that the cave is always the same, with random room numbers. Only years later did I discover by reading the code that the shape is a dodecahedron. That fact would have helped note-taking a lot. Doug On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:59 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > Wumpus predates Unix. It was a basic game on the GE635 when I first saw = it in the mid 1960s along with a horse racing game a blackjack game. I ran= them on the ASR 33 in my Dads office it=E2=80=99s what got be interested i= n computers actually > > Many games were on different systems and reimplemented. david Ahl eventu= ally published a book called 101 basic computer games which was a collectio= n that he brought together from a number of systems. > > HP2000, TSS/8, DTSS and GCOS as well as TOPS and later RSTS all had games= as well as Unix. > > As for Moonlander, my friend the late Jack Burness wrote it as a contract= or for DEC as a demo for the GT40 and was also not of Unix origin. Origina= lly it was DOS11 later RT11. It=E2=80=99s an amazing piece of code - chec= k out his 16 bit cordic integer trig routines. He sat in the MIT library = for a weekend figuring out how to write them. Hand simulating everything. = Went back to Maynard and typed up his routines. Very impressive > > Rogue was Unix however but that was BSD. > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 9:32 PM Will Senn wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I just saw this over on dragonflydigest.com: >> >> https://0j2zj3i75g.unbox.ifarchive.org/0j2zj3i75g/Article.html >> >> It's an article from 2007 about the history and genesis of the Colossal = Cave Adventure game - replete with lots of pics. What I found fascinating w= as that the game is based on the author's actual cave explorations vis a vi= s the real Colossal Cave. Gives you a whole new appreciation for the game. >> >> My question is do y'all know of any interesting backstories about games = that were developed and or gained traction on unix? I like some of the earl= y stuff (wumpus, in particular), but know nothing of origins. Or, was it al= l just mindless entertainment designed to wile away the time? Spacewar, I k= now a bit about, but not the story, if there is one... Maybe, somebody need= ed to develop a new program to simulate the use of fuel in rockets against = gravity and... so... lunar lander was born? I dunno, as somebody who grew u= p playing text games, I'd like to think there was more behind the fun that = mindless entertainment... So, how about it, was your officemate at bell lab= s tooling away nights writing a game that had the whole office addicted to = playing it, while little did they know the characters were characterization= s of his annoying neighbors? >> >> If you don't mind, if you take the thread off into the distance and away= from unix game origins, please rename the thread quickly :). >> >> Thanks, >> >> Will >> >> > -- > Sent from a handheld expect more typos than usual