From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23055 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2023 12:42:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Aug 2023 12:42:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D039840FB8; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:42:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2977A40BEA for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 22:42:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2c.google.com with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-447be69ae43so294177137.0 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1691671336; x=1692276136; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=3o3JtQLSqnBHDmYY6gjrhOsorAL+bjFZL2m+Di+hs4Y=; b=IFjTLJcTFf64edtbCW/epVS2BrA3tZwRPe/d9DV37pMmZCgJyVBAyaOqKPVTX0/swR k5AdE7PB50G8meQrP4AS75xwSBnYbyivRltQVQyUqU1wVIZxkgVBSBdyErHTVieV86Gh 5Ru0rGTCjoIckOgTtSgSjNgXsr2JEo2ODPQWnZwWOr61uprD3MWDEq8u5QTyj/bjNV1z lbG9ZQf/r7tPmpRulALNQoW6aXUIQTU29qo/fl5dSrRBAWyWBSwpjCOrKrcAxG8nCkIR Z023q0cnYqE4SO0O6KL4CLKZjvY3goTwUbjoBgJPp5nEX4bTA+ogajKnr98YVgopWyrT 9lQQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691671336; x=1692276136; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3o3JtQLSqnBHDmYY6gjrhOsorAL+bjFZL2m+Di+hs4Y=; b=K/GzUeEh+KzRLVZlBuF0D93PP/m4Hlj8iG9dFTb9JsrPSFT8KhpmnDDKUwUj/zoqum xtHAsxlt3i5R8vA276rh/OWCKKmnovUfUxxyWXe5S2uw9B3XgTBTHLg7jxURedzbzroj K1Y9HyeqCoakD5NKrU8+yb5upwqYYNBDiy1NcMh0ExB5acEOZFiPD98XJqFrl9UEa+TY jLmejXcjuC1wO7OrDX44xXtpQiBKqfBDDNWCI7BcntRayrgwMUopZaOrBzRWHs6agPgj 1R4WSO3nWLsXLB+BgTFK5K72v7byGgYNqUQB8SMWXBha8QvfRGfia/61vm5/DP6cWCzF XFNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyotNoH+ZkDsForI6qoxXQGSxsA8QluVciUDgPKMvh/7ceCL6wE 5lwUPyYQiMFS0vZ2vnfcL4SoLuuxytR9Vq54zDnd4PyqVA3ByeOU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH4UlHUAUNvQ0LjlPN9OYlUCKFPUhvx7ZfVW/+VCPdFHZH7pEXAdZc9VDZRfCZwlzoTjRapu1NnAHP+4FkAG/s= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fc4a:0:b0:447:68a0:a11a with SMTP id p10-20020a67fc4a000000b0044768a0a11amr941242vsq.2.1691671336030; Thu, 10 Aug 2023 05:42:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230810010940.9B3C635E102@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20230810010940.9B3C635E102@mcvoy.com> From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 08:41:58 -0400 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: ELKRHBIS53LENC7643X4DYZMOBSZ7ZY2 X-Message-ID-Hash: ELKRHBIS53LENC7643X4DYZMOBSZ7ZY2 X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: when did v8 or later get networking? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: My preface to the manual: says v8 " incorporates facilities from the Seventh Edition, System V, andBerkeley BSD 4.1. The distinctive theme ...is distributed computing"It goes on to cite streams, Datakit, RFS, and Blit. The internet lurks in the citation of BSD 4.1. The preface goes on to suggest how the new facilities affected life in the lab: "These facilities have spurred a host of programs for remote information services, interactive graphics, debugging, and simple fun". On rereading this, I am struck by how blinkered I was not to overtly mention either the internet, which brought us out of the clumsy era of uucp and CSNET, or upas, which seamlessly integrated remote and local mail (and would eventually save us from the Morris worm). I recall expressions of surprise (dismay?) at the size of the BSD internet code, but without it we'd have lost our place in the Unix community. Even greater concern about the complexity of sendmail led Presotto to develop the simpler upas. Doug On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 9:09=E2=80=AFPM Larry McVoy wrote: > > > TCP/IP, not datakit.