From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C2422C9E for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 17:27:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAEE43B59; Thu, 14 Aug 2025 01:27:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x130.google.com (mail-lf1-x130.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::130]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9BFE43B56 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2025 01:27:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x130.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-55b8a7a505cso7766162e87.0 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 08:27:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dartmouth.edu; s=google1; t=1755098824; x=1755703624; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=5FlAzBJzAffg01nhQLekzNauUYlWAA+ndxdXLsHcVp8=; b=hE9pjNYrs1t+fJCdKOJXR8wbI0IgSc9Acj5Ph2OBeTxsyuNQyTmVG46phf/zuHYT73 ECVdOdSoc2FFZepaSJfoKLuWOMSI1sEEPIjPYficc8VpQHwf3aMIvWAg3E1EdORtWHvA H/Th3lkAX1OWm7hq9Z2rkunYOGGicT9B1LEvStw29kHNjIHbNfhao35sJCQq2s0R6Sxy PBjfLxiSn2sJyireY3pp0Crqm0sFIwNMPbE0ZEPcP4tTbnL55yrQ/cxp4qam5HRGQVYl PuwEbUFoaV0rnfk/umo+4vEF3r7L01sFjj73344q4vTZNC3JEkhDMLIduMdjj8uK4xHo mx7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1755098824; x=1755703624; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5FlAzBJzAffg01nhQLekzNauUYlWAA+ndxdXLsHcVp8=; b=WrgFYo6r7ISDc7OoY0mK/ZrFhSzCA+aQtZRvout5MsuwrDTJZU8Q+cGSR2w7MOzHIV dTZBf1wHW/KiqbiRPbV1/GjUpP3PGFw7I5Nu+V4QzFolRyQ0dfcrGocLwzq5srwA/SzY 6Iyp5MD2ollbQ/6JjGRtypDMxHf1Pk8ySNdp4yH+eVL7tYEphAnGuEq6I6uSed8Fk5BM q4FNgThLDkDA+eilermacbXhc8YIb7VKSbLWHU3f5+WjnJz+uXStSluz8vIsXxmL8hXs BStSPhKdmruHWZSVxjwC0T0Y3afcCbgASv112M4fXlslenzXhs6TeiVKO+m2b2S1bqH3 vReA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV+C/b6Rer0KcjDSM69Awz8on1YjpkdQHph9TLs640o6v75FV+OrxmgXTasEYdF30XlGklm@tuhs.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyK4dzKVraZWk0GGad5lKkf0AFdexvi47rnquoCj/YeBD0kzPpS kQXg/J2WFlRkbqj0w1SZnxIqbsz7+H016v9oOTQ7zSxGTzo1wVwCH1mR3Uz+mUHKkb6upHXEhcM 66FSxuRe0J09AMJSQBzTYMN5P4qysA70AFty8t3CMzw== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuOF3Zmr+U+AESuMg1inhzhtvakdc99SZroxK04ObPl0zuoEi80aXB79v624kX QVPyk7Cq8UnwY5mohD0TSC9YXdj8Yb67kn98Fr20WOJi0s8PEkfxYgrzae4AN0yFsMXAKvwlrZp /QEU1cGzXWL5x5i14Jlu81mWf1OH3oFuJaNptBHm9WaAyA5znZD7BHtYs+YN2sOIGgWOZBATSCn BsL5Ac= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGDLEiBZhUAsS3ciDvxnRABXS90RlTDvwNGcE3Uo/ITMFP+iiHHUEHXGynBU5W69ZqjX1UrYw9+7KjxdG/C9No= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3b0f:b0:549:5866:6489 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-55ce039f6a8mr1197857e87.47.1755098823762; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 08:27:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20250813015509.GA17097@mcvoy.com> <202508131459.57DExwjZ032177@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202508131459.57DExwjZ032177@freefriends.org> From: Douglas McIlroy Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:26:47 -0400 X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXytuLy3JRPQI33mUxTBvAQMlzUUnSQF7KpL-O3vYBvxxB0IlQ5gvJKYOGQ Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: EXNRV7PS5ICTZMXQYZJCYOEHOXKCXJV2 X-Message-ID-Hash: EXNRV7PS5ICTZMXQYZJCYOEHOXKCXJV2 X-MailFrom: douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: NFS 40th anniversary event List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: "never made it outside Bell Labs" was a poor choice of words for "never gained acceptance outside of Bell Labs". I agree with Dan and Arnold, but I lament the fact that NFS : RFS :: intranet : internet RFS had the grander vision. To be fair, I must admit that I have no idea how efficient or robust the released version was. Certainly the original worked very well. Doug On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 11:00=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > > Dan Cross wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 10:00=E2=80=AFAM Douglas McIlroy > > wrote: > > > I was always sorry that Peter Weinberger's RFS never made it outside > > > Bell Labs. It allowed networking between separately administered > > > systems by mapping UIDs. > > > > I believe it did? If I recall correctly, it was available with System > > V, though perhaps I am misremembering. > > It was a different RFS, developed by USG. It had full Unix semantics, > including ioctls and fcntl, for machines of the same architecture. It > was stateful, which meant if the server went away, you could hang your > shell at the very least. It first came out in SVR3. > > Earlier versions of SunOS 5 supported it; it was dropped in later > versions. > > It didn't get widespread support both because NFS had a big head > start, and because by the time it came out, the SVR3 licensing terms > had gotten onerous for most vendors. > > No disagreement with the rest of you note. :-) > > Arnold