From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8975 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2020 04:39:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 15 Jun 2020 04:39:26 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B18159C6B5; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:39:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDAE9C276; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:39:09 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="NZM3TPbw"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 430689C276; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:39:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-f181.google.com (mail-il1-f181.google.com [209.85.166.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA4A59C24C for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:39:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-f181.google.com with SMTP id p5so14059145ile.6 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:39:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4RnD25pCgbrJsU3QYURrzOVidYau7GzJcyeSZXpIFLM=; b=NZM3TPbwsJ/aRcJp7TYjmMvRuNouTLxhqssACo1MhnR4f89bf4noXPjgMhZE5r9WlS N6lreQYEOlZ44+zPYA2Voe9CJXpqRenJYlkI2gX+rICSkagz5jdYJXLl9Ae1Olimw22G u2zNarwRgUvCV54EiApFajVNikRb2s9VXxC6HheBHjKC3HI41yZ7HPgN6MJ6e/Od/1S6 txdE67lGL8VQAY91sYe9yzPyOWENaye4YQuaem9hdm3J4QOSOh69cdF3qAjxQ+QE1lBO JTydMtqaFLUFTKt/aSfJCcl6xkwtGxF6VRn9A7uuex+Uu2t0RbW+bY7L36Wc1dXP5L6A 1UDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4RnD25pCgbrJsU3QYURrzOVidYau7GzJcyeSZXpIFLM=; b=sx2gO1sNGHYHUVPHHvHECQs6b7uZWDaUsAYCWDuAGMxuHse6pFSt7GahLLlynj/imL 9QsQnaiSe3UOc1DJwC5v9Tb+CMUU4oBb3JkzxUnL2DvcdZb1306YlsdlY11beAmdjCzF im+BY5g8ST0nLnVZ8C5KkU557e2rSMK2gWFR8chCWb+SUSNMthAv/LQ4lJtjGFueqz/V +JNevOngNg5rFbKd28wi1aFJfYwJY0akJghmqn+PnvqTNbyV1zaKT9UeyTCfrfngcrnn GXz4ldoyeDHME4qp/XOyYqRx4In0Y0a9PxFhZZdwrXIwq1a/+IWpzq7GVmO8xkXr3M1O a+1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531sbK8430i5nP4pdvlKOGrxZs346kVMDi1ZPSTite7W2kE9wdME ukXy378XXRcUTROTrZhhWoVg9wsYNoOhUqZEHQEujw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwN7DJk2CSdYCFcsYH3AQHM5kv4NGV82Z6b9X69vwh37YMFOoK1ck3HiaaVQ1TSDW6PTa5SvGDmj8a/7XZnNKU= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5bd2:: with SMTP id c79mr22572164ilg.218.1592195945987; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:39:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202006150226.05F2QLL4066364@tahoe.cs.Dartmouth.EDU> <8DD10EA6-2AF8-4557-BF75-8F9C65780E78@iitbombay.org> <20200615025559.GK29495@mcvoy.com> <88839FF5-A964-40AD-AACB-B5424262D436@iitbombay.org> In-Reply-To: <88839FF5-A964-40AD-AACB-B5424262D436@iitbombay.org> From: George Michaelson Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:38:55 +1000 Message-ID: To: Bakul Shah Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Origins and life of the pg pager X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" I get two hits in this, aside from the bikeshed of 'what is the status line telling me about things I am looking at' which is a disease Emacs has. 1) I use more, and the screen DOESNT clear when I finish. DOH! 2) I use less, and the screen DOES clear when I finish. DOH! I kind of tend to 1. The 'clear' command works at a tty to flush screen so for me, noting backwards scroll, less is 'more; clear' But backwards scroll has been useful to me. Oh I know, I have scrollbars on the terminal. But still. I don't like having to engage the mouse for this stuff. I want commands, modal or otherwise to do things which go to 'where am I, in the buffer' Both are wildly complex. Who knew tail on a log was something integrated into a pager? (I think it is for less. I don't think more has that) -G